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is ill-informed, selective, misses out data going back literally one million years (forget the ‘missing’ 1970’s data). 33 years in meteorology, having sight of all the data and all the hard working ‘geeks’ like me who are trying to lay it out. Yes, there are points of discussion and disagreement as there always are in science, but this blanket ‘debunking’ of what is perceived to be the mainstream view is going to far. Have you ever heard the term ‘don’t throw the baby out with the bath water’ ? It means, just because there are some mistakes/errors/unknowns, it doesn’t mean it’s all wrong.
I do not intend to argue my point here – I have a life to live and really can’t be bothered trying to change peoples very fixed views. I’m sorry to say this is fast turning into a site for tin foil hat wearing conspiracy theorists. Yes, this type of mis-information deeply offends me after a lifetime working in this area of science. Seeing this literally made me want to puke. It sounds so convincing to those who know nothing about the subject – as all these things do… 5G causes coronavirus in case you didn’t know – literally tens of thousands of people actually believe that, just like in the 1800’s people believed sitting on a train would kill you because the air would be moving past too quickly. The Earth is flat, and the moon landings never happened. I’m actually sick of all this bullshit now.
Fully – can I respectfully ask you to delete my account. I do not intend to return.
Ouch! I made a mistake trying to engage with these folks. I hope I didn’t make it worse for you also. If I did, I apologize.
You’re just too smart for us, kemmrich. Really smart people like you shouldn’t ever engage with us. It is, as you say, a mistake. We are not worthy.
Fully agree, I stopped reading site since some weeks, only look at some charts in day time and switch to Twitter after 4 pm. There are so many conspiracy theories on different subjects on the internet, all a waste of time reading. I know of gold investors that believe all Etf”s are fraud and all bankers are crooks. Sorry for people working at Sprott having honest metal and stock etf’s and all honest investment advisors. The same about all this 5G stuff. And about diseases, there have always been multiple diseases jumping from animals like deer, cows, bats,… to humans, and these are facts, not a comspiracy. Good luck all.
Exactly ..so our question is Why did this particular one STOP the World when the others did Not ?
Thats a conspiracy theory >? or perhaps it is a question that needs to be asked ?
Thanks for all your input over the years Alex.
Be well
all best
Fully
Agree fully, questions always welcome, but all these answers from so called experts are sometimes confusing and nothing is proven in what they claim. In medicine clinical trials are very important, and some called alternative remedies for covid have been tested but do not prove to work.
Thanks Alex…it everything was clear we would not need to explore both sides..we would just declare a winner and move
I wish like hell the MSM would present both sides NOT prevent one side.
If i didn’t have to do the research myself
I would have a hell of a lot more time to play with my ass .
🙂
er…you mean your rocks, I think.
Of course I do not want to see you go Northstar
I will ask you to reconsider .
I do not understand what it is about this post that has you this upset but I am certainly wanting to understand
All I see is a rebuttal to the main view
I see some well reasoned points.
I do not see anything that is diabolically offensive in any sense of the word
I understand you hold a different opinion and have always said I value your input on this important subject
I sincerely would like to know what is so Flat earth about the points made in this video.
The guy is saying the stats were cherry picked.
where is he off ?
Just read a perfectly apt quote to those who get so bent out of shape when issues are discussed. “There are two ways to be fooled. One is to believe what isn’t true; the other is to refuse to believe what is true.”
Søren Kierkegaard
At Jesse’s blog?
What a calming effect his words have on me every day!
NOBODY CAN CLAIM TO KNOW WHAT IS TRUE UNTIL THEY EXAMINE BOTH SIDES OF THE DEBATE.
I don’t think this is so obvious as to be a slam dunk.
Some issues are a slam dunk and debate is just tedious…like Flat earth for example.
I was once on the wrong side of a debate and i know how uncomfortable it can get when a long held opinion is challenged.
You can either just refuse to get involved or spend the time to rebut.
The issue was over Flouridation of the water Supply
We in dentisrty are taught to defend the party line that flouridation of water is safe and it is a noble thing to do as it reduces cavities.
Hundreds of studies to prove this…but ultimately I switched sides
…and was practically excommunicated.
Floride is a toxin ( toxic waste)..and putting in in perfectly good water is a bad idea IMO
Just brush with a floride toothpaste and the benefits will be there without the systemic harm.
Having said this…i fully understand in hindsight why Northstar is disgusted with me for bringing this up
That was not my intention.
I posted that as a plausible reason for the Globalists destroying the world economy with this virus story.
Once you wake up to the fraud that is our monetary system & the foundation= Not Federal, No Reserves Bank along with it’s debt based system of enslavement, it’s not hard to start to question everything we are being fed as facts. The foundation of the system is rotten to the core & thus everything built on it needs to be questioned, especially those bought and paid for “public servants” and “truth seeking media”. For many, the financial mess realization came right around the time we woke up the the lies surrounding 911. From there, it’s all crumbles under your feet…Shifting sand. I’m sorry you have built your life on this mess, but you are not alone. We’ve all been lied to on a massive scale. It’s an incredibly painful thing to realize some of this stuff…Very hard to think about the face we have been been lied to intentionally from the cradle to the grave. You’re reaction shows how the worship of the government, scientists and other “trusted authorities” can cause massive reactions.
I’ve enjoyed your posts, Northstar, so I’ll be sad to see you go. This last post is typical of the left, however. You ascribe to yourself a superior understanding of the issue and denounce those who differ in derogatory terms – flat earthers etc… Perhaps you will explain to us tin foil hatters why the esteemed climate change brigade has perpetrated so much fraud and deceit if their case is convincing. Of course, those that deal with science in this manner have “lives to live” most often financed by those tax paying rubes who don’t accept your superiority, so we won’t expect any fact based argument. Just say the science is clear and have us deplatformed. I suppose that’s the new scientific method.
One thing more. If you’ve worked in meteorology these past thirty three years, you are aware that for the last two thirds of that career there has been no global warming at all, an outcome that none of the climate models predicted.
Anyway, I’ve appreciated your charts and reasoning. Good luck to you and don’t sell your mittens!
Understand, NS. And we know where to find you. 🙂
It is the politicans that bastardize the science and use it for their political aims. I don’t know enough of the science regarding climate change other than environmental pollution is detrimental to health and ecosystems regardless if it effects climate so better to err on side of caution without being reckless extremists. On the matter of COVID the politicians have used the science to implement their agendas and many medical experts are financial captives with drug companies etc so they don’t challenge. Then when you get brave doctors and others who do challenge they get censored, attacked professionally and lose their livelihood.
One must suspect similar in the Meteorology Community as well
For sure it’s true in Dentistry
I have found some really good materials over the years that really make outcomes better for the patient which have been “censored” by the PTB in the Higher Echelons of Dental Dictats
One particular medicament used successfully in Root Canal Therapy for many years in Europe was the target of Endodontists and even the FDA and was banned and many who used it were subject to discipline hearings and licence suspension.
I was a member of a “maverick” group who fought against this tyrany . Some of the best “wet fingered” dentists from all over North America …They had reams of evidence for this material…but of course it was always a one sided battle.
I believe this is the second time NS has been driven away, I think that says a lot about some of the toxic conversations as NS is a very nice guy. NS is actually the person that got me out from behind the lurking curtain last year. He left the site and I asked for his contact information to beg him to come back. I will again ask for cooler heads to prevail. Do we want this to be a charting site or a bash the other side of the aisle site? Because one has a future and the other does not. That said over the years I have seen a lot of good folks go. I realize there are big egos involved but maybe a moderator should moderate and not dictate. When I say moderate, they should act towards the healthy growth of the tent. If somebody posts something questionable perhaps the moderator and that person should immediately take it off line. Let’s stick to the charts and news of our rocks. Our time is now folks and we need everybody to navigate the next few years. If this board was a chart then we just finished a head and shoulders and pierced the neckline…Let’s save it!
For me this isn’t an attack on him, it’s a request that he acknowledge that ‘climate change’ is not settled science and perhaps even has political motivations – if it is pure (no politics) and settled for him and the threat is imminent (not 10k yrs from now), I’m content for him to think I’m a tin foil hatter and I won’t push the subject, but I’ll still follow his TA on PM’s.
Ns wasn’t driven away. He saw argument in contradiction to his belief and couldn’t handle it, so he left, but not before insulting those he disagrees with and telling us of his superior ability to discern the truth. That’s what the left predictably does, and when the tables get turned on them they run. Their views have prevailed in our society, until the last few years. People fight back now, using the same tactics that have been used against them, and these “higher purpose people” do not like it at all. Too bad!
I share your angst Aurum. Northstar is a nice guy and a great Technical Analyst
We want this to be a PM TA site
and to be a place to question everything in light of the unfolding disaster which is affecting each and every person on the planet in some way.
Coincidentally causing our PM investments to be rising exponentially.
Nobody bashed anybody on this thread.
There are only a few questions at the heart of the whole issue.
1) Is there a global temp trend
2) Is the trend a threat to humanity and on what timeline (ie 10k years from now we’ll all be underwater).
3) Who or What is responsible for this trend (and again on what timeline)
4) What actions should mankind take based on the perceived threat level
5) How are those (scientists and laypeople) who don’t see or agree with others on 1-4 above to be treated – goes back to the credibility of those answers to 1-4 above.
The problem I believe many tenters here have is that the portion of the scientific community that does not believe the data warrants, for example treating C02 as toxic or a ‘controlled element’, is ridiculed/character smeared/ignored and the door is suscinctly closed on debate (so says the scientists and their political supporters who do believe the data says the sky is falling and we must take drastic action). << this behavior in the minds of many lay people DISCREDITS the research 'conclusions' or at least calls it into question, which is what you're seeing here.
I'm guessing you'd admit for anyone in the scientific community to say case closed and people are fools for not accepting their (group's) conclusion just negates their credentials and trustworthiness. I want to see some real knowlegeable debate – ie respond to each of the charts made in the video – but so far anyone that challenges the idea just gets labeled a 'denier' or tin foil hatter.
Just as with COVID, do not ignore or dismiss the POLITICAL objectives of scientific research – of course not all scientists have political motives but don't deny that many do – research doesn't exist with out MONEY. What is your opinion of Greta – a legit spokes person or is she a political tool? What is your accepted timeline for mankind's demise due to climate (warming/cooling) change? and what is your preferred solution (king for a day)?
I wouldn't accuse the scientific community at large of goal-seeking to support a 'control' agenda but it would seem at least half leans that way (with the MSM megaphone who most here don't trust anyway), and the other half is TOTALLY IGNORED AND REBUKED. << It's this 'inconclusivity' that is the POINT of the video in addition to addressing the 'tools' (kids) used to SELL the idea that the GLASS IS ALWAYS AND ONLY HALF FULL. Anyone telling me this, I don't trust or at least trust less.
To continue the dialogue, as an observer I'd like to see your long term chart data of the same or similar elements so we can get an idea of just how long this trend's timeline is – again in 10k years are we going to be submerged – is that the threat or is as imminent as we're told (12 years per OAC?).
They've already had to take down the 'end is near' signs at Glacier.
https://www.ecowatch.com/glacier-national-park-signs-replaced-2644665325.html?rebelltitem=1#rebelltitem1
I too hope you don't leave, I'm patiently waiting for GDX to hit the next support lower. Thanks.
I repeat what I said last week to someone complaining about the site. The parameters are clear, t/a, gold, stock and other markets etc. during trading hours. Politics and other life affecting topics during non-market hours. Why do the “sensitive” people of either side have to pout and take their ball and go home if someone doesn’t agree with them on a topic? Don’t engage on political topics if you can’t handle it. Just enjoy and participate in the T/A and investment part. Is that an unreasonable suggestion?
Edit: I more than understand, Northstar. As a former scientist, I couldn’t agree with your statements more, particularly on the climate issue. In solidarity, I feel strongly enough about all of this, and the change in the Mission of GoldTent, to chose to leave now also. Fully, please remove my access; I will not be back again.
In solidarity! I love these guys. It’s almost as though disagreeing with climatistas is unacceptable. Funny how they melt from the heat of debate. We should all remember how easily they fold. Tell us, before you leave, Alfa8, with which of Northstar’s statements do you agree. He didn’t make any argument. He merely insulted those who don’t believe in the global warming scam and informed us of his superior discerment. You employ the same subtle arrogance by calling yourself a ” former scientist”. Be still my heart! A former scientist disagrees with the plebs. On what, he won’t say. What he really means is that he disagrees with our right to an opinion. We are not worthy.
I appreciate your responses Strider
Spot on Point
Lets Summarize
One interesting post rebutting the Climate Change narrative posted with no malice.
( prior to watching that short video I was firmly in the believer camp )
Massive Offence Taken but Zero Response from the “Scientific” Community
2 Resignations.
Problem:
If we “delete” these accounts ..all posts and comments ever registered by the posters disappear without a trace.
Sounds like something from cancel culture.
Wishing you both well on twitter .
It’s a good platform . I understand undesirable comments can be easily purged
All kidding aside…Thank you both for your contributions and be well.
No wonder Western culture is in its death throws, when grown men cannot engage in a debate, as one party decides to walk off the stage for being “offended” by an alternative view, which does not accord with the “accepted narrative”.
If we cannot engage in a civil debate on subjects like this, then Western society, and its founding values, is doomed to the dustbin of history.
Diverse comments, for the record:
1. I was unhappy to see the preceding posting in part because I was afraid just this sort of thing would happen. Even the most solid scientific theories should be challenged and can be defended for educational value and to keep their proponents sharp, but I just did not want to see Northstar, who has indulged us so much, put upon any more. He is stretched thin. Nor did I really want this site to get into another controversy. As I have stated previously, although I have actively participated in many discussions not having to do with gold TA, I am one who would not have minded sticking to gold TA. I also suggested — though it would have been hard work — having a second section off to the side — on other topics.
2. There is an argument from history of science and thought for engaging crackpot ideas. Sometimes they turn out to be correct, or at least they can make significant contributions. Usually they don’t however. It takes much effort to go through them sympathetically yet critically, often too much effort, exhausting effort, over and over, when they are provided often in a crude, strident, insulting fashion. When rejected, they can become caricatures of themselves, whether as less in keeping with reality or (even if more refined) more strident and thus less easy for proponents of the standard perspectives (or dogmas) to accept.
A reasonably astute person might have asked Northstar what he thought about ****, respecting his knowledge, position, and time limitations, and reacted politely to his response or lack thereof. One could have then had a chance of an educational dialogue. If the alternative viewpoint had turned out to be correct, partially or completely, its correctness and value would have been made apparent and accessible with the dialogue.
2. I came to this site to a significant degree for Northstar’s work. (I also like sampling, studying opinions.) I will have less reason to look often. However before seeing this item I had been planning to state, as I will now state, that just for more or less incidental reasons I am likely not to participate for quite a while. I have some significant financial bureaucratic things to do that will drain much of my waking life for weeks if not months to come. In fact I have probably been posting in large part as procrastinating to avoid them. One of them has to do with following accountant’s advice having to with tax returns (note plural–review of back years) involving things such as PFIC. I wish I had known. This time will be a major chunk out of my life. There are other related rules etc. I hope what I think I have learned and what I have been told is incorrect. However I have been pretty explicit in warning people that there are any number of US rules and regs that seem to govern tax of stock holdings in foreign companies in ways that may not be appreciated until such time that one tries to take a big profit, or one’s heirs try to cash in, or even earlier.
You will note that I have not commented for several days already. I have been dealing with family matters and financial matters.
3. I do not know whether my absence will be for a half day or whether it will be permanent. I really should be working non-stop and not commenting this very moment. However of all the left-over comments I had intended to put in but didn’t, I want most of all to insert one now. I try to indulge diverse opinion in hopes of facilitating dialogue and thus improving things. However there is one type of opinion here that I find really repulsive, one that has repeatedly nearly caused me to stop coming here permanently. It is the one calling for the killing of Gates, Fauci, or other political opponents. I think it is just disgusting to call for the killing of one’s political opponents, even the war criminals who bomb civilians routinely, even torturers, all such mass-murderous official psychopathic types. One tries disarm and paralyze them permanently and show them up for what they are, ideally so that they are permanently despised as negative role models, but try to do so as much as possible with persuasion and other nonviolent ways. I could continue, but I need to get to work on my bureaucratic ordeals and deal with some family matters.
Lest there be any confusion, in part 3, when I used the word “paralyze” I meant it metaphorically, not literally.