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Jeremy Elliot on Covid

1. TimH says:

   July 21, 2020 - 11:14 pm at 11:14 pm

   Just goes to show there’s really nothing new going on with all this except that so many preexisting trends have all come together this time. Rebel News has been posting some very good Covid/Lockdown news stories lately. They cover Toronto and Ontario news better than the Toronto mainstream media does even though they’re mostly located out west in Alberta. They’re the only ones posting relevant news I find.
   https://www.rebelnews.com/

2. dadoc1 says:

   July 22, 2020 - 1:13 am at 1:13 am

   Wearing mask likely helps spread if you have COVID. Many don’t even know. Had a colleague test positive on screening and thought she was just having allergies.

   Why is everyone so opposed? You may not even know you have it.

   COVID is real. It is ravaging the health care system.

   People requiring care are not getting it because our resources are being used for COVID

   This is my daily reality. I’m in Arizona. The largest health care system here had ZERO ICU beds available this past weekend.

   • Karl says:

     July 22, 2020 - 6:08 am at 6:08 am

     One of the many things that makes it difficult to wield a formulaic dismissal of the topic is that there are just so very many indications, albeit often personal and anecdotal or semi-anectodal, that a really nasty bug (or perhaps >1 bug, or one with multiple strains) has been going around — in fact so nasty that if comic book villains planned to cripple economies they could not have done much better in designing it.

     Moreover, such evidence indicates that the idea of ‘flattening the curve’ to keep ICUs from being overwhelmed was in fact reasonable. Taking precautions — briefly — was a decent discussion point. Personally, I believe that if evidence had been presented in a cool, calm, and factual way, people would have naturally responded by washing hands, not breathing on each other, and so forth. (In even minimally rationally run societies there would have been some breaks given for people staying at home when sick and extra training might have been given for nursing home personnel, and so forth, but no.)*

     However the topic was put off for so long when it was obvious that there was a problem (obvious to me anyway–I stockpiled etc in January as did many people here I am sure) that it becomes natural for people to consider the question whether the poor response by the various authorities was bug or feature. Ditto the heavy-handed responses after-the-horse-has-left-the-barn in jurisdictions where the infection has largely run its course at least for the season if not forever and infection things are rather quiet.

     * Of course such was not possible. Media had to be focused on sports and other entertainment and political finger-pointing and the other usual distractions and divide-and-rule. To the extent that N95s and the like might have been useful, they were not available in many jurisdictions because of incompetence, gross irrationality, and inadequacies of the economic systems. Ontario residents can correct me, but I have read as an example that Ontario had a huge supply of N95s for pandemics or similar emergencies several years ago. Then someone noted that they were past their use-by date. They were discarded. The government–Conservative (but I expect the current NDP party as well as the Liberals would have done the same–correct me I am from the US)–decided it would be too expensive to replace them. Not important. And because of (Orwellianly named) ‘free trade’ and the rest of the economic system, manufacturing in N America was not set up to make useful things in an emergency for public benefit under the conditions of January, 2020. I don’t see too many N95s available now for that matter. I think I do see finger pointing on it was Trump who said masks weren’t necessary – No Fauci etc.

   • Northstar says:

     July 22, 2020 - 6:21 am at 6:21 am

     ABSOULTELY. Well said dadoc. I agree that wearing masks outdoors when you’re not amongst other people or in a vehicle on your own is ridiculous, but some of the feverish (pardon the pun) commentary here has gone beyond the line and is well into ‘tin foil hat’ territory. The healthcare systems in many countries (including the UK), buckled to the point where staff are burnt out, exhausted, mentally drained, tearful and suffering mental illness. Quite something for a virus that either doesn’t exist, or is worse than flu.
     The normal flu season here (starting in Oct/Nov) puts extreme pressure on services with localised emergency declarations in hospitals due to the strain not uncommon. If Covid adds just 25-30% to the normal Winter admissions, we’re going to be in one hell of a mess. That is what we are desperate to avoid.

     • Fullgoldcrown says:

       July 22, 2020 - 9:22 am at 9:22 am

       You mean to say Your health care system is still not prepared after what will bea year of this/

       no increase in capacity and resources ?

       Yikes ! WTF ?

   • Fullgoldcrown says:

     July 22, 2020 - 9:16 am at 9:16 am

     We all agree Covid is real….but how do masks help ?

     Where is the scientific proof of this theory that masks help..?

     All the studies I have seen Disprove this….even the CDC published their own study !!

     Many claim masks attract microbes and lower O2 and Higher CO2 are a health risk.

     personally If I wear a mask “correctly” for even 15 minutes I feel sick ! Correctly ! So I make sure I don’t wear it correctly and so do most people….breatrhing “fresh air” is more important to me thatall this bullshit you guys believe with NO scientific studies to back it up…maybe that is why you believe in masks…your CO2 levels are so high you are intoxicated.

     Northstar you are concerned with pollution correct.

     You are concerned with CO2 etc in the atmosphere correct ?

     What about the CO2 under the mask…that was shown by Del Bigtree and his son…TOXIC !

3. Aurum Maximus says:

   July 22, 2020 - 1:28 am at 1:28 am

   Thanks for the report from the field dadoc!