Loading ...Pandemic Bullshit as far as the Eye can See !
From Wolfgang in BC
This is a good website to check death per 1 million. If you go by Belgium’s numbers then India should have 1 million dead yet it is only 22k and they cant say India is hiding the numbers. You can’t hide a million dead. I see Canada is on par with Mexico. yet our medical system is supposed to be much more advanced…like you said…all BS…
btw….9100 covid deaths in Germany and they shut the whole country down….in 1968-69 they had 60k dead ( “and stored in subway tunnels” my god what barbarians) with a much smaller population and “Yawn”…nothing happen, life went on as always….now if that would happen nobody would ever leave their house again…we are all going to die…Joseph Goebbels would be proud of today’s media and gov…
1969 in the USA…what were the Boomers Doing >
Locking Down masks ? I know they were Social Distancing …just like the Millennials and gen z Today
Right ?
Hong Kong. Population 7M, business folks flying in and out from China non-stop. All packed into that tiny space…
Hong Kong 1366 total cases, 7 deaths.
It’s all TOTAL BULLSHIT guys and gals.
Odd isn’t it ? The UK has roughly 10 times the population of Hong Kong, so why do we have around 45,000 dead instead of 70 ? I know pandemics hit different countries differently, but that’s just not cricket…
Exactly my point
Different places different interpretations different policies political agendas.
UK and USA and Italy and Spain and others locked down tight and yet deaths per population were MUCH higher than places like Hong Kong and Singapore and China even ..and Russia and others.
Obviously something is very wrong with the “counts” as I have been trying to show .
The “amplitude” of the PCR test can be manipulated to give more or less case counts.
Some Governments ( US and UK ) pay big bucks to hospitals fore each covid case and each covid death….which incentivises cheating.
Now I am hearing ( have to research this)…The swab up your nose spreads the virus and testing may be making cases worse.
I should add, that it’s not the case that we were just counting any death as Covid. Our excess deaths is somewhere around 60k for the 3 or 4 months. At the start, many, many covid deaths weren’t counted – I have first-hand experience of this with 2 of my relatives who died with covid symptoms, but was recorded as pneumonia (the covid outbreaks were detected later when testing became available). Don’t get me wrong – I agree, with hindsight most countries went way overboard with shutdowns and the economic consequences are far, far greater than the covid consequences would likely have been. I’m just saying we seemed to get hit disproportionately hard over here. We also now are seeing thousands of people (fit, young, healthy) who had very mild covid symptoms, but now presenting in hospitals with symptoms of chronic fatigue/brain fog/speech difficulty. My cousin is unfortunately one of these people and now 3 months after having covid is back in hospital with life altering after effects. One of my wifes best friends (a work colleague) is also suffering with these afflictions after over 2 months and is now unable to work. Antibodies in some subjects have also, apparently, gone, leaving them just as susceptible as anyone else to catching it again. I suppose if we’d only seen a handful of deaths like most countries, I’d be wondering what all the fuss is about, but I personally know 2 people who died, 2 younger people with no health issues who are in a terrible state, and others who were very ill. It’s almost as if we got hit by a different strain or something.
I’ve not heard any accusations about the NHS getting paid for Covid deaths in any ways that are different to any other death. It would surprise me because the NHS is state funded. It would also surprise me because there was no push to record covid deaths – so many went unrecorded due to lack of testing kits to give confirmation in the early weeks. As I say, I know of almost certain covid deaths, that weren’t recorded as such – we’ve seen the death certificates.
I wouldn’t rule anything out though. I can only speak from my own experiences with 100% certainty. Anything else is just someone elses view, and I can’t prove it.
If you read this article ..it is demonstrating that Most Places ( UK included) have already reached herd immunity which is more like 20% rather than the 70% “they” talk about and you don’t need antibodies in your blood to be immune
T Cells / Cross Immunity
At least we agree that lockdowns are the worst idea going forward.
Wofgang’s point was the 1969 was a serious pandemic and life went on. Most people didn’t die and were unnafected but up to 4 million died in 68 and 69 from the flu ! The 99.9% who “survived” it went on to live in a world with a vibrant economy accross all sectors.
That will not happen this time and we arguably have had a milder pandemic.
The message here is..lets get on with life…” Economic Damage Control” is far more important than potential effects of this virus or any of the many other viruses and bacteria which cause disease and are always with us .
There is an episode in the series Suits, where the judge in cases admonishes the litigants to finish every argument with the sentence, “In my opinion”.
I have a friend that recently recovered but has lost his sense of smell and taste. I agree with NS, the world is seeing some very odd stuff regarding this lil bugger. Science will have it’s day but that day is not today. As much as I want to believe the herd immunity etc. I don’t. I think most people just want it to go away so bad…cognitive dissonance. I am still very thankful this wasn’t something much worse.
I had it ALL…for 4 months on and off…my sense of taste and smell have returned…In hind sight it was a bad flu like illness.
Shit happens
99.9 plus percent of the 8 billion souls on the planet were unaffected by this.
PS I did that oxygen finger meter test with the mask today.
Initially The reading was 97 to 98% after a few minutes I admit I was disappointed…then i realized because of my Big Nose the mask was not sealed properly 🙂
lots of air was still coming in around it…so I put a tape on my nose and sealed it…like they did at my optometrist visit the other day…it was tougher to breath…I was outside in the heat…after a minute or so the reading dropped to 93-94
So In My Experience less oxygen when wearing a well fitted mask .
Fact: Sweden has had 74,333 confirmed cases
Fact: Sweden has had 5,500 deaths.
Fact: Sweden has approximately 10 million residents, with the largest number by far in and around Stockholm (~2.4 million..)
Fact: Sweden did not lock down anything, has not passed any mandatory mask ordinances or constrained the people. Instead they told their citizens to act like adults, rather than allowing them to be infantile screaming children (as we did here in the US.)
Fact: The death rate in Sweden from Covid-19 has fallen to an effective zero.
Fact: The case rate in Sweden is also falling precipitously. On a log chart the case rate is effectively flat.
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You may not believe in “herd immunity”, AM, but it’s a fact, not a theory.
Hey Strider, I believe in herd immunity, that’s just science dude. I don’t think we are there yet with this thing. If you think you are possibly the herd or the immune immune then hop on down to the nearest hospital and snog some covid patient. :). Let’s separate the wheat from the chaff here boys. Lots of tough talk…
“Fact: Sweden did not lock down anything …”
That is not even close to being true. High schools/colleges were closed, sporting events and large gatherings were closed. When you say stuff that is easily proven to be false, it just hurts your credibility. Do a little study next time.
You are pretty quick to “correct ” mistakes …so I will also correct one
High Schools were open Colleges were closed…this from a friend in Sweden
At any rate Striders main point is not diminished.
Public Schools were Open , Bars were open malls were open Restaurants were open , You could get a hair cut , malls were open. Gatherings of 50 were allowed .
People were encouraged to social distance and use their own discretion on venturing out if they didn’t feel well.
Personal responsibility was encouraged.
It seems the Govt failed …like may govt’s to adequately protect the LT Care Home initially.
And to Strider’s point Sweden fared no worse than many Nations and far better than many European nations….and…They are DONE with it effectively now …just as is New Youk and Several NE States and just as are Germany Italy Spain France and now UK.
Far less stringent lock downs and same …even better… results than ALL of these places.
Case Dismissed.
Kemmrich…your comments are usually disparaging and corrective of some thing or another…thats fine BUT if you want any credibility from me and most here…you would not just hide in the shadows ready to pounce on some minor innacuracy and would instead comment on that piece I posted below and its premise regarding HIT .
Sorry, but you guys just spread too much misinformation. I am not interested in reading an article that says the pandemic is a hoax when I can pretty much see what is going on.
The article does not say the pandemic is a hoax.Nor did I say that in reference to the article
It says the pandemic is Over in most places and winding down in others….and it gives interesting scientific evidence that YOU have never heard nor considered…and probably never will.. with this attitude of never questioning authority …and never reading something that might just make you think a little differently
Reputable Nobel Laureates are interviewed and cited.
It explains the difference between acquired immunity ( antibodies) and innate immunity which up to 50- 80% of all humans have against this virus
I know a couple of things for sure.
First, I am convinced that it was the right thing to do to take great precautions for a couple of weeks or so to avoid having hospitals overflowing with patients sick with a communicable disease with significant and not well understood symptoms, a disease that might make hospital staff sick such that they would cause other staff as well as patients to become sick.
Second, if I do say so myself I think I was astute in loading up on toilet paper, hand sanitizer, household disinfectants, certain meds, and other items way back in January before other people began to think of buying extra TP. Especially since my health and ability to get around is not so great.
After that, I have my ideas and actually pretty strong if tentative ones, but I really don’t know. I could state many things as probable, and probably be right, just as I was right in suspecting I needed to buy extra toilet paper back in January. However I am not sure of anything. I hope I will know more eventually, but it is easy to be fooled even if one has a skeptical bent and has been exposed to many relevant disciplines, even in hindsight.
I think if there were a war going on and there were multiple nations involved with shifting alliances, and I mainly had to go by propaganda (“news”) outlets of the different nations I would have about as good an idea of what was going on or of right and wrong or the whys.
Hey Karl I agree completely. I also blew the whistle on this thing very early. I was at Costco the first week of February and it looked like I was stocking a hospital. Fast forward to today. I walk around unafraid, I only wear my mask when I go into stores because it is mandated. I don’t know what takes me out in this world but I refuse to live in fear. I decided pretty early on from looking at the numbers and realistically plugging myself into them that I was going with my immure system on this one. Now had this been ebola or similar. I can assure you no amount of yahooing on this board would have changed my mind otherwise. As far as I can tell this virus is doing just a good a job at tearing people apart as the current administration. I guess it doesn’t take much to offend people these days. Mel Brooks should have cast a virus in “Blazing Saddles”!