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This proves that the Murderous Bastards at the FDA not only want a second wave, they want a second shutdown as well! Why, after three months with no deaths actually attributable to hydroxychloriquine, would you remove the only treatment that might actually help? The drug companies cant’t have Covid fade away. They need to get their payday with some BS drug like remdisivir or some dream vaccine that will never be effective. This revocation is something BLM should be protesting! African Americans are disproportionately affected by Covid. How many more deaths are going to occur for no reason other than political agendas? If President Trump doesn’t overrule this decision and FIRE whomever is responsible, he doesn’t deserve to be reelected.
HCQ needs to be used in conjunction with Zinc.
HCQ is a cell ionophore, allowing a pathway for the zinc to enter the cells.
The zinc in the cells stops virus replication.
The FDA has been clearly bought and corrupted by big pharma, as there is no money to be made in HCQ/zinc as an effective treatment.
This is another example of how once trusted institutions like FDA, CDC, WHO etc have become corrupt and can no longer be trusted.
This is now a crime scene, where institutions of government commit a genocide of its own citizens, for profit.
“…once trusted institutions like FDA, CDC, WHO…”
Trusted by whom, when? I think that people who have worked with them know them to be at their best to be big, and often difficult bureaucracies with some good people.
I would think that the sense is, yes, that if anything the commercial vice-holds over at least portions of them go back many, many years and have increased rather than decreased.
EXACTLY. I, and others here, are so fortunate that this was discussed here as early as March. Thank you Spock, Fully, and many others for your contributions to make us aware of what was really going on.
The world seems nuts.
I by the way believe I was the 1st person to mention hydroxychloroquine on goldtadise.com. When dadoc mentioned chloroquine, I asked about hydroxychloroquine since I know a bit about this stuff from years back. He offered a reference, I think from China, suggesting the employment of hydroxychloroquine for COVID-19.
Much of science and medicine in general is much more politicized than many people realize. This aspect of medicine certainly so. Personally I feel as if my head is spinning. I see an extraordinary amount of emotionalized stuff. A lot seems to be highly reactive, and in more than one direction.
If I am not mistaken — but I may well be wrong — experienced physicians in multiple sites such as in China and Russia have found meds of this class to useful for SARS1 and COVID-19, but hardly a cure-all. I have the vague impression they help a bit but I have not delved as much into the matter as many of you. It’s not as though they are miracle drugs I’d bet though.
Some people can’t take them safely for relatively short periods of time if they have certain hereditary anemias. Other people (someone I know is one of them) have subtle retinal changes involving loss of color vision after taking them after a while. Chloroquine was used for years for antimalarial prophylaxis, against other parasites, and for rheumatologic conditions, generally with a good risk/benefit ratio — but I think hydroxychloroquine is even less likely to harm the retina than chloroquine. I’m not an expert, but hydroxychloroquine is handed out to lupus patients routinely to as they say “spare” them from having to take meds with more likelihood of bad side effects, in other words because of its relative safety long-term compared to corticosteroids +/- other antiinflammatories, which themselves are routinely used meds that are not banned like some sort of pariah substances. Not my field of expertise but I believe I am ballpark correct.
I frankly don’t know and perhaps shouldn’t be writing, but I doubt it is a super-duper automatic cure and is not totally safe for everyone all the time especially taken chronically, but it is hardly a scary horror drug. Many people should calm down. Probably of some use but not so miraculous, not totally safe, but relatively innocuous for the large majority of people especially for the short term is my guess.
Even I am calm about it except about all the propaganda and (I believe) dishonesty and posturing about it, which I do not like.
Clinical impressions by people on the frontline — I would think many Chinese physicians would count — are useful. Even better are well controlled double blinded studies that study the matter employing the med in a fashion according to the way its proponents advise (if with Zn, then with Zn; if without Zn, then without Zn) with the patients of the sort its proponents suggest appropriate at the stage of disease (or nondisease) that the proponents suggest. It is nice to have several such studies since quirks can make a single study go awry. In the mean time it is nice to go by clinical judgment of those who have had early experience and early relative success, possibly, is my guess.
I mean, I think it’s pretty bad if hydroxychloroquine is cut off from reasonable study and reasonable use that might save some lives because people are triggered because Trump said something about it. Silver lining is least people with rheumatological disorders in the US will have enough supply because people won’t go crazy hoarding thinking they are hoarding wonder drug gold. (See, I mentioned both silver and gold.)
Karl, while you are still calm, I’d suggest finding out if the leadership in your area supports de-funding LEO’s (better to know sooner than later). This covid thing is just one of many rings under the circus tent and some may affect you personally more than others.
I don’t even know what side I’m on. I don’t think I should be on a side, to be frank. I think it’s likely one of the many situations of deliberate presentation from above of poor alternatives and getting people stirred up. I have further ideas, but not for now.
While I’m writing, let me bring up masks. I write from a different side than some other people. I think masks are useful, certainly in some situations, depending on the situation, the people, the mask, and so on.
Everyone who thought about it knew there should be plenty of masks available. My introductory biology professor in the 1970s told how he learned from discreet inquiries about UK/US research supposedly to protect against biological warfare that he thought was pretty clearly to research how to use it as well. Other peoples’ profs must have said the same in class. There’s a place near me in the US where for years now there are complaints because they study nasty nasty pathogens that could be of the most dangerous military grade sort (though I am not sure they do military research there), high security, high techy. I don’t think Canada can trust this stuff not to slip out by mistake and get north to Canada. For years people have been writing about the dangers of bad bugs coming out of the jungles of Africa. It makes sense to be prepared in Canada for travellers from Africa.
Yet — according to what I’ve read (this is internet rumor but I believe sound rumor –please correct me if I’m wrong) — around 2014 Ontario had a fine, fine collection of PPE stuff, including a massive collection of NP95 masks for just the sort of thing as COVID-19. However it was at its “best by” expiration date, so it threw it all out. The provincial gov’t (Conservative at the time — but any of them I’d guess might have been capable of this move) decided not to replace their mask collection. So they had to scrounge around frantically for masks.
In the US they didn’t have the masks that they obviously needed, certainly in hospitals. They (and it was the health authorities primarily not Trump from my reading) said masks weren’t needed for the public — though the Chinese, who had the most experience, obviously thought otherwise, and in my opinion common sense thought otherwise. Were they scared at how badly they’d be shown up for their incompetence at not being prepared by not knowing what was needed and not having ready supplies of masks for the population? Or as I’ve seen suggested were they worried for the sake their beloved facial recognition software and this or that ….. (fill in blanks)???
I mean, if you want you can talk about this or that planned epidemic or conspiracy. I don’t even need to go there. The need for lots of masks in these two supposedly fabulously run industrialized countries, supposed beacons to the world etc etc for decades and decades, and they coudn’t come up with masks or in the case of the US decide whether masks were needed or not needed. Respected, exemplary? My foot.