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1. kemmrich says:

   April 28, 2020 - 5:34 pm at 5:34 pm

   How to beat a pandemic

   1.) Don’t let it in — failure, just too hard to do in a world where global travel and personal mobility is enormous
   2.) Containment, test and isolate the infected / contact trace — failure, we just weren’t ready.
   3.) mitigate — this is where we are now
   4.) Containment, test and isolate the infected / contact trace — as we open back up, are we ready??????????? If not, we go back to 3.
   5.) Vaccine and/or therapeutic medications.

   Of course, you could just let it ride — but the death tolls might be too high and that will lead to more economic fallout.

   It would have been interest to see what would have happened if just all large gatherings were cancelled (parades, sporting events, conventions, etc.). But what do you do about nursing homes???

   • Alfa8 says:

     April 28, 2020 - 6:12 pm at 6:12 pm

     Successful containment in the countries that were ready will reorder the world’s economies in the re-opening phase. Those that were prepared will snap back faster, while the unprepared countries will have to go back to mitigation and a deepening crisis.

     • Steins1 says:

       April 28, 2020 - 6:20 pm at 6:20 pm

       You mean like in the countries where women are the leaders?
       Where the response was the best? 🙂

       • Alfa8 says:

         April 28, 2020 - 6:39 pm at 6:39 pm

         Well I wasn’t thinking of that here, but yes women leaders who are trained in science probably do fit the bill. 🙂

         Countries with with strong health care systems, with some form of socialized medicine, along with a respect for science have fared better in the containment phase.

         The US delayed and scattershot approach is hardly a model for successful containment. Embarrassing, really.

2. TimH says:

   April 28, 2020 - 6:58 pm at 6:58 pm

   I studied epidemics as a Geography student in my last two years of university and now feel like the only person in the world with his head screwed on straight. Except for Fully, he’s on the right track also. This pandemic is just another in a series that hits the world every 50 years or so like the new type A influenza outbreaks like Spanish Flu in 1918, Asian Flu in 56? and the Hong Kong flu in 68. Everybody is going to get this thing, either this month or next or this year or next. The Hong Kong flu strain is still detected in annual influenza surveys (when they make the flu shot) after 50 years. This thing is just going to be a new strain in the viral soup we all live in every flu season. The elderly who are weak (comorbidity) are the most susceptible to dying by these things as well as the very young. Nothing new with that since the beginning of time. We live in a society of educated people but we don’t live in an “educated society”. Traders actually I’ve found are the smartest people around since they don’t trust anyone and they’re always doing their analysis and know they don’t know everything. Trading has made me a wiser man but not necessarily richer!

   • Steins1 says:

     April 28, 2020 - 7:09 pm at 7:09 pm

     Hi Tim,
     I’ve kind of come to the conclusion that the best approach for fairly healthy people is to stay healthy, good habits, exercise a lot as this boosts immunity and be your own vaccine…. Allow yourself to get at least mild exposure to the world. It doesn’t mean that we don’t maintain safe conduct, but you can go overboard!
     I’m not saying go make out with someone with the virus, but being out in circulation getting “some” exposure is self vaccinating.
     It’s a little risky, but just don’t bathe in sanitizer and stay inside. 🙂

   • Aurum Maximus says:

     April 28, 2020 - 8:43 pm at 8:43 pm

     TimH, thoughts on this being unnatural? One thing for sure there are scientist all over the world PLAYING with these things. I say playing because we are dabbling in so many new technologies and we have zero ability to see past a desired effect. Take CRISPR for example, sure we can make your eyes blue, who wants to sign up?! No thanks…

     • TimH says:

       April 28, 2020 - 10:38 pm at 10:38 pm

       I don’t think it’s man-made, but I do think such a thing is possible. It wouldn’t be surprising if some large governmental organization made a big mistake…

   • kemmrich says:

     April 28, 2020 - 8:57 pm at 8:57 pm

     The “flu” is caused by the influenza virus, while covid-19 is caused by a coronavirus — different things. So far no “vaccine” has ever been developed for a coronavirus (common cold, SARS, MERS and now covid-19) that I know of. So having a novel coronavirus with a high R0 (infection spread) is pretty dang scary. Now SARs and MERs sort of went away on their own, so maybe this will happen for covid-19, but no one knows. In the end we are all going to get it if it sticks around and there is no vaccine. Mitigation helps spread the time frame out so hospitals are not overwhelmed. This is why we are doing what we are doing. … and maybe a therapeutic solution will be found.

     • TimH says:

       April 28, 2020 - 10:53 pm at 10:53 pm

       That difference in virus types does justify taking a more cautious approach to covid-19 than Bird flu (H1N1?) but we now know almost everything there is to know about the threat of covid-19 to a population after the epidemic in China. Since then every other place has been repeat of the Chinese outbreak. Any short-term apparent differences have been shown to be errors in data collection, such as an (apparent) higher death rate in Italy which was due to under-reporting (by 75%) of total infections as well as a proportionately higher percentage of older members of the Italian population. If you only count a quarter of total infections then you will likely get a death rate that is four times higher if all other factors are the same (virus characteristics). However… I saw an interview with a virologist from the Pasteur Institute in South Korea saying that the virus that got on the plane in China is not the same virus that got off the plane in Italy (ie. more severe). Shouldn’t he know more than I do? But the apparent severity increase was all attributable to under-reporting in Italy because most cases have only mild symptoms if any and can only be detected by testing people on the basis of contact with a known case (ie. went to the hospital with symptoms and got tested) rather than by clinical analysis (observable symptoms).

3. Fullgoldcrown says:

   April 28, 2020 - 7:40 pm at 7:40 pm

   I am not wanting to come of as careless nor cavalier …this thing deserves a healthy respect.

   BUT I believe we went too far not allowing walks on the beach and in the parks or even social distancing golf for that matter

   ANYTHING you can do from 6 feet apart should be OK !

   Any why not open garden centres …if you open supermarkets and Walmart…how can you cut out these mostly family oriented businesses

   Where have all the Flowers Gone ?

   I think each of us will have to decide the level of participation in society going forward.

   Many will of course have no choice but have to go back to work .

   Play will be a different scenario

   Will there be kids sports ?

   Will there Be Professional Sports with fans ?

   If so will fans show up ?

   Good comments TimH and Steins1.

   • Steins1 says:

     April 28, 2020 - 10:01 pm at 10:01 pm

     This will get you all riled up again! LOL!
     But seriously, sometimes issues, no one wants to mention, are right in front of our nose.
     Our buddy Bill would be all over this!
     I’m a big believer in physical work and exercise and probably over do it at times.
     But it’s mentioned over and over again that exercise is one of our best defenses against disease.
     And immunity? We do HAVE a vaccine, it’s called our immune system!
     I know, I know, I’m preaching to the choir! 🙁

     https://www.cdc.gov/obesity/data/adult.html

     https://www.sciencenews.org/article/coronavirus-covid19-obesity-risk-factor

     • Steins1 says:

       April 28, 2020 - 10:09 pm at 10:09 pm

       And isn’t this an interesting quote at the end…… “obesity epidemic”

       According to the National Institutes of Health, obesity and overweight together are the second leading cause of preventable death in the United States, close behind tobacco use (3). An estimated 300,000 deaths per year are due to the obesity epidemic.

       • Steins1 says:

         April 28, 2020 - 10:12 pm at 10:12 pm

         There’s an EPIDEMIC!……CLOSE THE FAST FOOD RESTAURANTS AND GROCERY STORES!
         NO MORE JUNK FOOD!

         I’m being a little sarcastic here, but to the point…..

         • Alfa8 says:

           April 28, 2020 - 10:21 pm at 10:21 pm

           Just don’t let your sarcasm tell us to drink Sodium hypochlorite infused Kool Aid. 😉

         • TimH says:

           April 28, 2020 - 10:55 pm at 10:55 pm

           Stay 6ft away from fried chicken!

4. Steins1 says:

   April 28, 2020 - 10:33 pm at 10:33 pm

   I just downed a bottle of Clorox before I wrote all that! 🙁

   • PK says:

     April 28, 2020 - 10:44 pm at 10:44 pm

     If you believe that the President said to ingest Clorox, then you probably have already swallowed a Tide pod.?

     • Fullgoldcrown says:

       April 28, 2020 - 11:09 pm at 11:09 pm

       He didn’t say ingest it he said INJECT IT !

       There is no way to cover up what he said

       https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tErLyGEzLhQ

       it was NOT a reference to vaccines…he said what he said

       It blew up in his orange face and that’s that.

       Doesn’t rally matter what he says because his opponent can’t put two words together because he has dementia.

       Even trump aught to be able to beat another opponent with No mind

       sheesh…you Americans really know how to pick em !!

       • Northstar says:

         April 29, 2020 - 3:27 am at 3:27 am

         What is going on over there ? Hundreds of millions of people and they choose 2 who barely know what day of the week it is. Confuses the hell out of me.

         • Fullgoldcrown says:

           April 29, 2020 - 8:29 am at 8:29 am

           LOLOLOL 🙂