Regarding the vegas shooting – agreed there was a ton of misinformation out there we all had to make up our own mind what and who to believe.
Did the gov’t and media accounts reconcile with the on-the-ground accounts?
Were there lies or half truths or fact manipulations told? by the LVPD, coroners office, ELLEN, the people behind the LVPD (FBI)? Were there unauthorized helicopters in the vicinity? – there is a ton of independant footage of this if anyone cares to look. Did the eyewitness accounts sync with the media and ‘official’ authority accounts? How many shooters and how different were the calibers being fired near simultaneously – do those dismissing the official narrative on this count have much real world experience with bumpstocks, beltfeds and fully auto weapons? Was there a forensic ballistics trajectory report released for this event, if not why not? Does it seem unusual that the MSM collectively silenced the case once Ellen suggested so on her show. Who is Ellen’s target audience – I’d dare say not those with eyes and ears who investigated the eyewitness accounts on their own.
There are undoubtedly bots or thought-confusers out there who claimed it was “faked” and I agree – that they were bots or agitators … whose motives cannot be identified exactly, however what I believe is beyond doubt based on many points of evidence. I believe those who called FAKE were purveyors of FUD, fear uncertainty and doubt, definitely not truth. Yes ignore the claims of ‘Fake’ crisis actors etc however I would not dismiss all the other ‘story’ inconsistencies regarding this event.
My wife was in Vegas Tropicana during this event – so I’m very concerned about what actually happened there – sorry for the long post but this event is not as portrayed by the media and officials. I can’t say what is was about or who the players truly were, but I can definitely say what it wasn’t about or who was the ‘sole’ perpertrator.
Now look at the links for the US data: https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/ … look at the last column “Source” and see the first five links, and then see the rest of the links that are for the other counties …
Everyone is told to stay at home, so that no one can verify how many patients are there? Just mass hysteria?
Thank you for sharing that great news, Aurum Maximus!
I want to be a believer here, and not be a doubter in this calamity, but the sheer scale, the unprecedented speed, and the humongous numbers of cases and deaths in the US, especially NYC, is just alarming.
I am living in that state in the USA which was the probably first to adopt shelter-in-place policies (some counties were late even in my state), and yes we have seen that the growth in the number of cases has really slowed down, as compared to New York, Louisiana and New Jersey.
But I want to know if there are actually that many cases in NYC? Actually that many deaths? And I want to hear it from someone other than C u o m o !!!
The TRUTH is that every disaster , mass murder , natural disaster is doubted by a certain % of the right wing side in the USA and claimed to be fake news perpetuated by the Left
Thats the truth.
hell even Trump is on board that this is a serious situation…then we have idiots like Armstrong saying fake news
sheesh
I would put it VERY differently.
Its “never let a good disaster go to waste”
Which is to say, many of us question the POLITICAL RESPONSE to these disasters.
Ie, what are their motives? KY is putting electronic monitors on those violating the lockdown.
Bye Constitution. Just like after 9/11.
Fully, please realize there are also elements whose objective is to appear to mis-represent the opposition (and affects the % you refer to). Jussier Smollett and other minority and persecuted class behaviors come to mind.
I’m not going to saying there is not an element of the right that emphatically does not believe anything the gov’t says, however people need to at least be aware there is a war going on for thoughts and minds (which often involves deception) being waged by the left as well as the right. Any entity that sells the idea that a glass is half full (or empty) 100% of the time cannot be trusted.
Most of the casualties are old and infirm. High BMI. Nursing homes are epicenters.
Most of the OVERWHELM are at PUBLIC hospitals. Private hospitals are laying off staff.
And balancing results is hard … the more economic damage sustained, the less evident the problem as its been addressed by sensible behavior.
The thing now is that there appear to be remedies that work … HCQ + Zpack + sinc.
And also an anti worming med vets use. (Mike Adams … another ‘quack’ I read diligently like MA.)
Mserr, my cousin is triage surgeon in Albuquerque. Good news the gunshots and car wrecks are down. They confirmed there are COVID cases but not yet overwhelmed.
Im just outside of Manhattan. Hospitals are overwhelmed. Some people inexplicable walk out. others Go south quickly almost
Inexplicably and die. They are begging more more health care professionals. cant handle the volume
If you need medical attention and it isn’t covid tour just shit out of luck
Gold Learner, what this is or isn’t is irrelevant now. We chose to shut it all down. Had this been similar to small pox or worse we wouldn’t even have a society to have the luxury to shut down. At this point we are simply trying to keep everything to a minimum. We can funnel a whole beach of sand through a garden hose if we had a few years. But we couldn’t do it in a few months. The infrastructure is fragile in that regards. Sadly, when this is in the history books the global deaths from poverty will be far greater.
Sadly in the USA, I hear “we’ve been had” so many times.
That’s why, I don’t doubt that Coronavirus is there, but I still doubt it is having the toll NYC is claiming. On one hand, as Mserr is stating, if you don’t have covid, you are not even being admitted to the hospital/ER. But how do we “know” that each death is a covid death? Again, I want to believe the official narrative but …
There are thousands of small businesses which we will never see open again. My heart aches for all those American entrepreneurs. I wish those billions and trillions that are collected as taxes would be put to use to help everyone in such dire circumstances. But when we need the funds and the resources, we always have to print and the poor and needy have to wait for the govt. checks? And this is a first world country?
I agree. So far it’s orderly and credit for those handling it. My only critique
Is I thought we were 2 weeks late in the quarantine and why didn’t we get
Medical supplies in inventory.
I’m sick and tired of stupid people saying this virus is fake. Our Prime Minister has it! I personally know people who have sadly died from it. My cousin is very sick with it. I have friends and relatives working in the health service – they are facing it daily. Bloody hell – wake up and stop being so easily led. Not everything is a conspiracy. It was number one on the national risk register for good reason. This is Very real.
Sorry Starr if it’s from Armstrong he is on ignore here
Ask Alfa8 if Covid is fake
Yes, Alfa8, please confirm about your Covid-19 experience.
My take: the virus may not be fake, but who is to verify the “scale” of the cases and deaths?
I still have memories of the “fakeness” of the s h o o t i n g at the Las Vegas concert.
Regarding the vegas shooting – agreed there was a ton of misinformation out there we all had to make up our own mind what and who to believe.
Did the gov’t and media accounts reconcile with the on-the-ground accounts?
Were there lies or half truths or fact manipulations told? by the LVPD, coroners office, ELLEN, the people behind the LVPD (FBI)? Were there unauthorized helicopters in the vicinity? – there is a ton of independant footage of this if anyone cares to look. Did the eyewitness accounts sync with the media and ‘official’ authority accounts? How many shooters and how different were the calibers being fired near simultaneously – do those dismissing the official narrative on this count have much real world experience with bumpstocks, beltfeds and fully auto weapons? Was there a forensic ballistics trajectory report released for this event, if not why not? Does it seem unusual that the MSM collectively silenced the case once Ellen suggested so on her show. Who is Ellen’s target audience – I’d dare say not those with eyes and ears who investigated the eyewitness accounts on their own.
There are undoubtedly bots or thought-confusers out there who claimed it was “faked” and I agree – that they were bots or agitators … whose motives cannot be identified exactly, however what I believe is beyond doubt based on many points of evidence. I believe those who called FAKE were purveyors of FUD, fear uncertainty and doubt, definitely not truth. Yes ignore the claims of ‘Fake’ crisis actors etc however I would not dismiss all the other ‘story’ inconsistencies regarding this event.
My wife was in Vegas Tropicana during this event – so I’m very concerned about what actually happened there – sorry for the long post but this event is not as portrayed by the media and officials. I can’t say what is was about or who the players truly were, but I can definitely say what it wasn’t about or who was the ‘sole’ perpertrator.
Now look at the links for the US data: https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/ … look at the last column “Source” and see the first five links, and then see the rest of the links that are for the other counties …
Everyone is told to stay at home, so that no one can verify how many patients are there? Just mass hysteria?
https://nypost.com/2020/04/04/most-americans-will-stay-home-this-month-even-if-lockdown-lifted-poll/
And see this … ” Naser, 49, said he hadn’t personally seen the body bags but told The Post that “patients are dying every day, every moment.” ”
https://nypost.com/2020/04/05/doc-at-brooklyn-hospital-where-body-bags-line-hallway-patients-dying-every-moment/
God knows what’s the truth!!!
I personally know three people that have tested positive for COVID19 and thankfully recovered. Two in Vail, CO and one in Brooklyn, NY.
Thank you for sharing that great news, Aurum Maximus!
I want to be a believer here, and not be a doubter in this calamity, but the sheer scale, the unprecedented speed, and the humongous numbers of cases and deaths in the US, especially NYC, is just alarming.
I am living in that state in the USA which was the probably first to adopt shelter-in-place policies (some counties were late even in my state), and yes we have seen that the growth in the number of cases has really slowed down, as compared to New York, Louisiana and New Jersey.
But I want to know if there are actually that many cases in NYC? Actually that many deaths? And I want to hear it from someone other than C u o m o !!!
I have relatives working the er. This is not a scam.
The TRUTH is that every disaster , mass murder , natural disaster is doubted by a certain % of the right wing side in the USA and claimed to be fake news perpetuated by the Left
Thats the truth.
hell even Trump is on board that this is a serious situation…then we have idiots like Armstrong saying fake news
sheesh
I would put it VERY differently.
Its “never let a good disaster go to waste”
Which is to say, many of us question the POLITICAL RESPONSE to these disasters.
Ie, what are their motives? KY is putting electronic monitors on those violating the lockdown.
Bye Constitution. Just like after 9/11.
Fully, please realize there are also elements whose objective is to appear to mis-represent the opposition (and affects the % you refer to). Jussier Smollett and other minority and persecuted class behaviors come to mind.
I’m not going to saying there is not an element of the right that emphatically does not believe anything the gov’t says, however people need to at least be aware there is a war going on for thoughts and minds (which often involves deception) being waged by the left as well as the right. Any entity that sells the idea that a glass is half full (or empty) 100% of the time cannot be trusted.
Armstrong is saying the cure is worse than the disease.
More will die from suicides, and the consequences of economic implosion than from the disease.
CTH has a good “complex” read on the situation.
https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2020/04/04/ground-reports-healthcare-focus-whats-going-on-in-your-city-town-neighborhood/
Most of the casualties are old and infirm. High BMI. Nursing homes are epicenters.
Most of the OVERWHELM are at PUBLIC hospitals. Private hospitals are laying off staff.
And balancing results is hard … the more economic damage sustained, the less evident the problem as its been addressed by sensible behavior.
The thing now is that there appear to be remedies that work … HCQ + Zpack + sinc.
And also an anti worming med vets use. (Mike Adams … another ‘quack’ I read diligently like MA.)
Mserr, my cousin is triage surgeon in Albuquerque. Good news the gunshots and car wrecks are down. They confirmed there are COVID cases but not yet overwhelmed.
Im just outside of Manhattan. Hospitals are overwhelmed. Some people inexplicable walk out. others Go south quickly almost
Inexplicably and die. They are begging more more health care professionals. cant handle the volume
If you need medical attention and it isn’t covid tour just shit out of luck
Gold Learner, what this is or isn’t is irrelevant now. We chose to shut it all down. Had this been similar to small pox or worse we wouldn’t even have a society to have the luxury to shut down. At this point we are simply trying to keep everything to a minimum. We can funnel a whole beach of sand through a garden hose if we had a few years. But we couldn’t do it in a few months. The infrastructure is fragile in that regards. Sadly, when this is in the history books the global deaths from poverty will be far greater.
Aurum Maximus,
Sadly in the USA, I hear “we’ve been had” so many times.
That’s why, I don’t doubt that Coronavirus is there, but I still doubt it is having the toll NYC is claiming. On one hand, as Mserr is stating, if you don’t have covid, you are not even being admitted to the hospital/ER. But how do we “know” that each death is a covid death? Again, I want to believe the official narrative but …
There are thousands of small businesses which we will never see open again. My heart aches for all those American entrepreneurs. I wish those billions and trillions that are collected as taxes would be put to use to help everyone in such dire circumstances. But when we need the funds and the resources, we always have to print and the poor and needy have to wait for the govt. checks? And this is a first world country?
I agree. So far it’s orderly and credit for those handling it. My only critique
Is I thought we were 2 weeks late in the quarantine and why didn’t we get
Medical supplies in inventory.
Agree …USA was a couple weeks late and that makes a difference
I still can’t believe there are those out there who think this is fake.
sheesh
I’m sick and tired of stupid people saying this virus is fake. Our Prime Minister has it! I personally know people who have sadly died from it. My cousin is very sick with it. I have friends and relatives working in the health service – they are facing it daily. Bloody hell – wake up and stop being so easily led. Not everything is a conspiracy. It was number one on the national risk register for good reason. This is Very real.