Loading ...Where Have All the Libertarians Gone ?
Long time passing.
In the beginning of Goldtent circa 2006
Most members at that time were Goldbugs and Libertarians.
People who are attracted to Gold for their belief that the monetary system is corrupt
and eventually all monetary systems die.
And that Gold will be the basis of the New Monetary System.
This is the basis on which the Tent Community has been built.
Well ….that seems to have gone by the wayside and the Goldbugs have all gone back to the 2 parties
Some ( most) are Trump Loving “conservatives” hoping to annihilate all Left Wingers and their “leaders”.
Some ( a minority) are Trump Hating “liberals ” hoping to annihilate all Right Wingers and their leaders”
No more Libertarian Talk ….at all….
CNN is the choice for the Lefties and FOX is for the Righties …where is the Libertarian Channel ?
No one remembers Ron Paul was a legitimate candidate and had a lot of passionate support 7 years ago.
Why has that not been built Upon.
Why Is there no Viable Libertarian Party .
Ron Paul is NOT a Republican…He is a Libertarian.
Should this NOT be a viable Party and Viable option in the USA ?
I know most of you don’t like talking politics here .
But this is different.
I am asking where is all the emotion that was built up and inspired by Ron Paul’s Campaign in 2012
It should have been a starting point to build a Party Upon.
And Now with this Great and Widening Devide
Is there not a Leader who can take the reins from Ron Paul and show Americans what could be ?
If this posts meets with no comments …so be it….Libertarianism is Dead….good luck to all in the Civil War.
I think there is a bunch of them at the oasis. 🙂
(repeating my comments on prior post to the same line of inquiry)
Ron Paul had principles, but no gravitas or the muscle needed to get anything done.
He spoke of ideals, in a world with no principles and MUCH MORE going on behind closed doors than most understood.
Whatever else Trump does, he’s revealing some of that mischief.
Basically, The Status Quo protects itself, above all else.
Re the gold standard, what happened to his Fed nomination of Shelton?
now I’ll add this ….
There comes a time when you need a Bad Ass Bastard in the WH to clean up the mess left by leaders of the Uniparty System. And then you need yes … a Re Education program to remind people of what they should value. The next economic wipeout will do that. No clue who takes advantage and leads the sheeple where.
I voted for DJT because I understood him to be fundamentally opposed to our Endless Wars. I’ve been disappointed they continue. But there are positive signs. Lots of them. Today’s piece by Luongo is quite remarkable on that point … lets see if he has it right or not:
“Because it was always going to come down to war or no war.
Iran/Russia/China always knew where the bluff would be called. They played the game out to the bitter end. And Trump walked away from the Abyss, smartly. There is no other policy at this point than reversing course and letting the instigators, Saudi Arabia, Israel, Europe and former U.S. administrations figure it out for themselves.”
https://tomluongo.me/2019/10/07/trump-five-tweets-change-everythin/
As for Libertarians … too many vested interests looting via big government for that to end. Wilson, FDR, and Johnson paved that road. But the people elected them. Because our system of education is staffed by socialists.
I guess I see the glass half full. There is a lot you can criticize about our government,
and I think that largely effects, how we don’t see the good things about it.
I won’t go into a long list, but just a couple…..
There is terrorism going on all around the world today, for the most part since 911, we have been pretty safe.
I have to give a lot of credit to our government and military for what I think is a ton of freedoms we enjoy and a good amount of safety.
Personally, being self employed and making a pretty good living with my custom wood shop, I still don’t pay a ton of income tax.
And I do have ways of weaving lots of fun into my business.
I could go on….Maybe more later.
Fully, I know you mean well but I’m afraid you have no idea what you’re talking about when it comes to American politics.
I, along with 63 million other Americans voted for Trump, which gave him 306 Electoral College votes to Clinton’s 232. We voted for him because he promised to end the decades long two-party betrayal of the American people on trade, on China, on foreign policy, on our southern border, on our economy and to put an end to the endless wars. He has made a lot of progress on these issues despite an activist judiciary and intransigent democrat opposition. However, there exists in our country a collection of permanent bureaucrats enmeshed inside the federal government who can’t be fired or removed — at least historically, have not been able to be — because of misguided civil service laws. They believe they know better than the voters how the country ought to be run, but no one cast a single vote for them. They are overwhelmingly big government leftists. What a shock, right? They have the media on their side and they have set out since before Trump was even inaugurated to take down his presidency “by any means necessary”…except for voting him out, because they know they can’t. Well the thing is, we’re not going to let that happen.
As for Ron Paul and the Libertarian Party, while I’m personally in favor of reinstating the gold standard and putting an end to the uniparty’s endless wars, and you were right that he was a legitimate candidate, I’m afraid you were really out of touch with the political situation in the USA if you actually thought he was ever a viable candidate. So don’t hold your breath for a Libertarian News Channel. Oh, and just BTW, Fox only devotes three hours per day to the “Righties”.
Thanks Sir Shannon.
But your response just fortifies my belief you need another party.
There was a real movement there in 2012.
I understand there was not enough …but that could have paved the way towards a viable 3rd party
Pity
I’ll take a Libertarian party over today’s Democrat party any day so at least I think we can agree on that, but would you support a Libertarian party headed by Trump lol?
Thats the point MOST Americans would take a Libertarian Government if they had a chance to hear the platform…From Ron Paul Himself.
They would tke it over Democrats and They would take it over Republicans
The time is ripe IMHO.
But alas…looks like there is NO initiative there.
I know you are joking but that is an insult to any intelligent person…Trump is Not a libertarian.
I doubt he even could pronounce it
he is not fit to shine Ron Paul’s shoes…and you know it.
Fully, I wasn’t making a joke. What I was setting up was a thought experiment. I certainly know that Trump is no Libertarian. What I was trying to find out is if you could support him under the circumstances you claim to be a staunch supporter of. Your snide comment that he couldn’t pronounce the word Libertarian says it all. Why don’t you just admit you are simply a Trump hater under any circumstances whatsoever? I could at least respect that as an honest opinion.
“… However, there exists in our country a collection of permanent bureaucrats enmeshed inside the federal government … They are overwhelmingly big government leftists. ”
What I always wonder when people make statements like this is “what are their sources and evidence?” Most heads of all bureaucracy departments are trump political appointees and the employees follow the rules that are set forth in policies. I have not seen any reasonable evidence of a certain deep state cabal that is suppressing the policy of trump and the price of gold (oh wait I am mixing up a couple of conspiracy theories).
While trump did get just about 63 million votes, just under 73 million votes were cast for non-trump candidates.
“What I always wonder when people make statements like this is “what are their sources and evidence?”
I worked there. I saw it first hand.
As for Trump appointees, at higher levels, he had to draw heavily from those with experience, which means traditional UniParty bureaucrats and political types. Including NeverTrumpers. By no means does his philosophical reach, or effective control, permeate DC. Quite the opposite. Its taken him three years to replace some of them in the more critical posts, with those he can trust.
The bureaucracy is deeply entrenched, and motives are driven by the expectation that it will be back to business as usual before too long.
As for a third party .. the DNC and RNC collude to prevent that.
“I worked there. I saw it first hand.”
You personally saw people doing everything than could to stall or dismiss trump’s policies? Considering that 80-90% of the bureaucracy is just dealing with numbers and paperwork (irs, ss, medicare, and so on and so forth — there are like more than 2,000 agencies, departments and commissions), I guess it could be true in some areas — but I still doubt it.
If someone could give me an real example where the un-elected federal employees stopped a trump policy in its tracks, that would be great.
“By no means does his philosophical reach, or effective control, permeate DC. Quite the opposite.”
It is always nice when our small prayers are answered.
Pedro, you really get it. Anyone with their eyes open knows that behind the curtain, the DNC and the RNC are one and the same. It’s not called the deep state, or the Uniparty or the globalists for nothing. The only reason more people can’t see it is due to the mainstream media being part of it and putting out the propaganda to support it.
So 4.4% of the vote was cast for neither Trump nor Hillary. Your point makes no sense. Also, if you can’t see through the mainstream media propaganda supporting the deep state, I (almost) feel sorry for you and your children.
The above was a response to kemmrich #5.
This is also a response to kemmrich #5. It’s from a NEW YORK TIMES reporter just three days ago.
https://www.newsbusters.org/blogs/nb/kyle-drennen/2019/10/07/nyt-columnist-admits-deep-state-existsto-protect-us-trump
In sum, he says sure there’s a deep state, but they’re there to protect us from Trump.
Because they know better than the 63 million Americans who voted for him…and they got how many popular votes and how many Electoral votes?
FGC, this may seem off topic but it isn’t really – read to the end and I’ll explain.
Who is James Alefantis and what does his instagram acct indicate?
What does the taxi driver audio of the Vegas Shooting indicate?
Were their any suspicious circumstances surrounding Seth Rich’s murder?
Is it worth noting that the wikileak emails were not a HACK but rather a local download?
Why did the FBI/CIA/NSA stand down when told they couldn’t secure clinton’s server from Crowdstrike – no authority, complicit or not worth revealing to the public?
Do most in gov’t consider themselves public servants for good or that ‘we can’t handle the truth’ – indeed ‘sheeple’ (a term which is banned on so many boards).
Is it of any worth to read the Trump-Zelenskyy call transcript (which had a number of staff in attendance) or compare against Schiff’s reading of the “same” document before congress?
Is it mere coincidence that exactly 1 year to-the-hour – Khashoggi was dismembered in relation to when the Vegas shooting occured (timezone’s considered)?
Is it irrelevant that a guy just kicked out of the navy lands a $900k salaried gig on the board of a foreign company (a field in which he has zero expertise) and whose dad recently bragged in public about withholding funds in exchange for quashing an investigation against that company?
Is it just coincidence that many CIA operatives land jobs at CNN?
Who is Tommy Robinson and what is his story?
Does Europe have an immigrant crime problem? If not, why not? Does London’s Khan seem concerned?
Was Benghazi a spontaneous event in reaction to a video and why perhaps was this story distributed en-mass through the media?
What is the relationship between US media/democrats/conservative agenda. Are Project Veritas video’s exposing truth or are they just actors?
Is it believable that Clinton’s stupid to the point where she really believes her server was wiped with what…. a cloth? or “What difference does it (benghazi investigation) make?
What might anyone with firearms experience say about the NZ mosque shooting video?
Who is Imran Awan and what relationship did his family and friends have with House Democrats for 10 years?
What party does FB/TWIT etc. endorse and what tools might they use to sway hearts and minds?
What purpose for the benefit of US citizens does the electoral college provide – if any?
What does a popular vote system do to the participation of anyone living outside high population density areas? Does the red-blue county US electoral map provide indications of why and what party may wish to dissolve the electoral college? Why has Main and Colorado done this already – what party govern’s them?
What is vote harvesting in California?
What activity was going on at Starnet in Vancouver and where did those computer servers end up? Other than being shut down, what public information is know about what was on those servers? Could the public ‘handle it’ – no outrage? Names of clients etc.??
What is a RINO and what is their mission?
Which gov’t institutions demonstrate a desire to serve the populous vs. their own existence. FBI/CIA etc.
Who recently called out MIC – military industrial complex (what did Eisenhower say in his farewell speech).
What happened with the Dearman kids in the UK, why can they describe in detail their teachers’ private (part) tattoos but nothing’s been done against those institutions? How did the UK police handle the case?
MK Ultra – Op Paperclip – fact or fiction and why are the facts not common knowledge.
Why must Hollywood action films involving Us military hardware get the Gov’ts blessing on the script?
Why did Obama get rid of the Smith-Mundt act which prohibits US from officially issuing propaganda domestically?
Why do I have to provide ID to buy a drink but in some jurisdictions may not in order to vote?
Were the south american Caravan’s just spontaneous events?
Considering all ‘smart’ phone users in aggregate – which person or party is more intelligent – the user or those on the other end?
What US laws are ignored or intentionally gutted through interpretation to needy (soon to be voters) into the US?
What is the purpose of borders – self governance within them perhaps? 100% opposed by globalists BTW – look at Europe.
If you have ZERO interest in such things or they are all inquiries for nutjobs and tin foil hatted cons. theorists (a CIA term btw) ….. all I can say is that TRUMP, while many of these things may not be or EVER be on his radar, they are on mine. In my opinion he is the only person of major consequence that may cause truth to be revealed. To me he is not truly a republican (there are so many in GOP power that absolutely hate him behind closed doors – Romney etc.), I don’t believe he’s a Dem in sheep’s clothing, he is his own man who answers to no one in the establishment – of course he must play the fund raising game under the GOP banner but I don’t think he is a GOP establishment guy – he will call out the RINO’s when appropriate. He may just be the spark that transforms the GOP who knows.
I am not a republican (I ditched that after seeing how weak they stood up for conservative principals for the brief time they held all 3 chambers (BUSH or TRUMP) did nothing) , but I am a conservative (not religious but I do have values).
There is an information war going on and each battle is being fought for brain space of US voters and non-citizens. Most Americans wait for the news to come to them via their TV or ‘smart’ phone.
More and more I believe truth must be sought after, it’s not going to come through the TV or radio or phone in some ‘feed’. Somewhere I heard – the revolution will not be broadcast.
What does this have to do with the 3rd party of Libertarians – in my humble opinion – there is more of that philosophy in Trump than in either the Dem or Rep parties – Fully, thoughts on Trump’s recent attempt to get out of the ‘endless wars’ – Rand and Ron Paul would applaud I believe. I may be mis-informed however all evidence considered – I’m convinced the deep state does exist, it is evil in many cases and it is absolutely INTERNATIONAL. Trump is of course not Jesus but he’s definitely not what I fear most.