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Hey gents… and ladies if any are here. I’ve been visiting the site daily and there are some really great trading ideas in real time. I’ve seen many things for which I didn’t even think to look. Like some of you, I’ve been trying to position myself for the bottom of the precious metals mining cycle, because frankly, I think that one of the biggest fortunes ever will be made in PM mining shares. The main reason that I think this is the following:
- Many mining issues have their costs are under control and many companies will not repeat the sins of the last cycle (growth in ounces at any cost). For example, Newmont Mining pulls in an extra $300 mln in Free Cash Flow for every 100$ rise in the gold price. This means that at $1500 gold, they DOUBLE their FCF and that isn’t taking into account where copper is at the time. At $1100 gold they are already doing over a billion in FCF with a FCF yield of roughly 12 percent… and they are doing this while building Merian in Suriname. To put things in perspective, IBM is one of the cheapest large cap stocks in the market with a P/E multiple of 9. IBM is more expensive on a similar metric of FCF yield of 10 percent.
- Even if gold just stabilizes, these companies are going to eventually reach a point where there are no more impairments, ridiculous levels of depletion per ounce sold, and various other whacky line items. Impairments show up in EPS but not in cash flow which is what needs to be followed. This is where a company like Randgold (GOLD) excels. They don’t take any impairments and never will until gold is under $1000. They consistently report positive real EPS and the market rewards them for it to the tune of giving them nearly a $6 bln mkt cap and a 30 PE multiple. To put things in perspective, a company like Goldcorp has less than twice the mkt cap of Randgold and only 2.5x the Enterprise Value because Randgold has zero debt. BUT, and this is a big BUT… Randgold isn’t really mining gold for any cheaper than GG. Goldcorp’s cash costs are even lower but Goldcorp loses money on the headline EPS due to impairments, abnormally high depreciation, and a write down in the value of deferred income taxes which is basically another term for book value of an acquisition in a foreign currency (in GG’s case). There will come a point in time when this doesn’t happen and that is when the gold price stabilizes and they stop having to impair the assets. Goldcorp actually earned 19c per share in the current quarter at 1100 gold using my adjustments. Eventually there won’t be any adjustments and the headline number will be in fact, 19c and 19c times 4 = 76c which gives it a 15 PE at 12. This is just one example and the other names will have even lower PE multiples and value investors will see this. According to my calculations, Randgold is twice as expensive as Goldcorp and roughly 4-6 times expensive as Newmont. This will change.
As for a bit more about me… I majored in Finance, worked at a hedge fund after college and then ran partner capital as a prop trader from 2004-2009 at 2 large prop only firms in NYC. I’m not in the business anymore but I have been picking apart the PM miners with a fine tooth comb over the last 6 months and am interested in providing my thoughts on the their financials and how I see the action. I also love the charts and the stories they tell. You guys are very good here.
Nice to read your post Cash. A different perspective for sure, and one that’s a nice complement to what others are doing here. Personally, I trade ETFs mostly to avoid trying to apply my non existent accounting skills to plucking out winners from losers. Also tend to believe that accounting data are either fudged or backward looking, if not both. And of course, the market can easily disregard solid financials for quite a while .. as some investors wait for others to start picking up the trail. But, its still good to read that things are not entirely dire here in large cap PMs.
Can you give us any insight as to the range of techniques that hedge funds tend to use, either to select or time entries/exits? Macro thesis, bottom up finances? How much weight do they give accounting vs charts etc? Probably all over the map, right?
As for my take on PMs, we’re on the cusp of another credit cycle downdraft if we haven’t already begun. The good will be sold with the bad if there are offers to be taken. At some point, GOLD and others will be sold out but I don’t see that as imminent.
I worked for a long volatility fund. We were basically a proxy for the VIX. We created a portfolio designed to give investors crash protection while using statistical analysis to trade stocks around our option positions. We did ZERO fundamental analysis from an accounting standpoint. We made decisions based on whether we could add underpriced implied volatility to the portfolio.
As for the ETFs, I don’t disagree as there are minefields out there in the world of mining and winners can become losers. This can be seen in the massive underperformance and subsequent breakdown of former top names like Yamana and Goldcorp with the former being worse than the latter. I will say right now that unless gold goes lower or Newmont misses guidance, it isn’t going any lower, but I am of the opinion that names like GOLD, FNV, RGLD, SLW can go lower. I think the downdraft you are looking for will be in the royalty names when and if the base metal guys curtail production on mines with royalties. I mean, what happens if Vale goes out of business? I mean, these royalty guys think they are so smart deploying all this cash down here… they may end up being huge losers by tying themselves to precious metal production from base metal producers.
Cashcost, Given your VIX background, any thoughts on UVXY here? I picked up positions on Thursday on the backtest of the breakout
I can’t say. These inverse and multiple inverse ETFs that decay are very good tools for short term traders. Volatility never stays elevated for long… it spikes for short periods… so you cannot stick around. What I will say is that volatility as an asset class IS ALWAYS UNDERPRICED ON THE WHOLE and I don’t think anyone knows why that it is unless the Black-Scholes equation for option pricing is just plain wrong. Volatility as a whole prices in big multi-sigma events as if they occur once every 5000 years when in fact they occur closer to every 10. So a buyer of volatility bleeds and bleeds slowly and then makes 30 percent on a day like Friday and many hundreds of percents during the 2008 market meltdown. That was the whole thesis for the long volatility fund. If one pulls up a long term chart of the VIX, the only time that a properly managed long volatility fund would have lost money would be the years 2003 and 2004 and possibly 2012. Every other year would have been absolutely stellar.
If you are looking for some further reading into the subject, read “Option Volatility Pricing” by Sheldon Natenberg. It is the so called “bible” of this strategy. Another author to read is Nassim Taleb. He wrote “Fooled By Randomness” and runs/has run a fund similar to this.
Thanks Cash, I agree that UVXY/SVXY are short term trading vehicles only. I will probably write some puts on UVXY early next week assuming we get some kind of bounce in stocks out of the FMOC.
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Welcome to Goldtent Cashcosts
I am sure there will be many who really Value this Fundamental /Accounting input
This has been a missing piece of the Puzzle here . Thank for this insightful first post
and looking forward to learning more . Most here share your view that PM Miners when they finally bottom will be
life changers for those who get in and hold on to the best ones .
Regards
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Welcome to Goldtent CashCosts. Great to have your talents and skills added to the mix.
Surf City
Welcome to Goldtent!!! In PM most important item is the financials of a company. It is nice to have your inputs time to time on companies accounting.
For example recently debacle of Rubicon. Many were thinking to buy this once PM sector bottoms. Along with Rubicon ,Royal gold went down.
After all mining industry is depleting her resources. They need find more mines to develop and increase production. ALSO it is important for them to JV,mergers and buyout juniors etc. Lately seen some mergers happening that is good sign for the sector.
What stat is available for jv.merger activities?? are they on rise or far few . That may show early indications of bottoming process.
Looking forward to your perspectives! Welcome!
Welcome, welcome, welcome!!! I am selling some physical so I too can take advantage of this “once in a lifetime” opportunity
just ahead and to have your experience and analysis added to all the seasoned, intelligent commentary here will put us in a position to erase the financial hardship some of us endured by not side stepping the current PM cyclical bear in the miners.
Calling the PM bear market bottom “A once in a lifetime opportunity” might be setting yourself up for a letdown. We may have the bottom, but there have been multiple periods over the last 20 years that may ultimately prove to be more lucrative than finding the PM miner bottom and subsequent rally whatever that may be. For example, the late 90s tech boom (I have never seen money made so easily on the long side… EVER) and subsequent bust, the commodity explosion into 2008 and then total market meltdown and reflation of equities. That being said, I’m hoping this trade is as lucrative as those I just mentioned.