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FWIW The VP Role (addendum to “Constitutional Plan” pinned thread): -The VP is Constitutionally empowered to “count” electoral votes. -Under 12A, he alone counts the ballots and is the arbiter of disputes. Congress, largely, is just in an observational role.
FWIW VP 2 -For much of our history, especially during Election 1876, the VP exercised this power. -Confusion begins over the Electoral Count Act of 1887, passed after the chaos of Election 1886. -This act seeks to restrain the VP’s role by inserting provisions for objections.
FWIW VP 3 -However, it is unconstitutional because it 1) seeks to reduce the Constitutional power vested in the VP and 2) forces Congress to accept the “executive” (governor’s) slates of electors if a dispute cannot be settled. Both statutes violate Article 2.
FWIW VP 4 -In 1887, Republicans maintained the Act was unconstitutional. Since then, scholarship has supported this. -The VP also has the power to “preserve order”, the extent of which can be considerable as he oversees the Joint-Session of Congress, not the House Speaker.
FWIW VP 5 -If the VP wished to, he could claim a degree of constitutional authority and refuse to count a slate from contested states (See Hawaii 1960). -As a law professor said, “doing so would go against the grain of both the Electoral Count Act and historical practice.”
FWIW VP 6 -But recent (post-1887) “historical practice” is not Constitutional law. -And what could members of Congress do? Run to SCOTUS? Good luck with that.
Cf.
https://lawecommons.luc.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=2719&context=luclj#page=19
This thread brings out the debate over what Pence’s precise role might be on Jan 6.
That’s a mouthful pedro
Thanks for the research
You have to marvel at the complexities BUT IF the Constitution is the final authority ( hint: It is)
Pence has the right to reject electoral votes from states that are being contested and likely WILL still be contested in courts after Jan 6 and also Jan 20
So throwing out those votes which have 2 slates would be the only reasonable thing to do…would it not
He cannot chose one or the other…and the results are very much in question ( very !)
So Throw them out…No Candidate has 270…Goes to the State Legislators …nes’t pas ?
Pence to Decide Race ?
https://www.wnd.com/2020/12/pence-decide-race-law-profs-say-vp-allowed-count-electoral-votes/