Loading ...Dave Martin — a cross examination
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1tQoYi1Y6-HcZ8G1tPKcXOymVN6e7oXH91Bc0ewPljOU/edit
h/t Chris from Thailand
Others well thought of in renegade circles also come in for some scrutiny as well …
VERY LONG …. bottom lines seem to be more evident and plentiful after p33 per the scroll bar.
Further comments welcome.
KEY PREMISE … none of what Martin claimed, carries any validity, if the virus doesn’t exist!
Source appears to be anonymous. Please chime in if you find it.
At the end … more promised … post if you see it.
Link appeared originally in comments section to ZH piece
https://www.zerohedge.com/political/rand-paul-accuses-dr-fauci-lying-about-nih-funding-illegal-gain-function-research
More recently, from Martin
https://rumble.com/vk2bya-exclusive-dr.-david-martin-just-ended-covid-fauci-doj-politicians-in-one-in.html
Thanks for posting pedro
I very superficially skimmed it.
I wanted to discredit it out of hand because reading the whole thing will be tedious and painful
I wish we knew who the Author is .
Have to say it is obviously very well researched and cannot be put out of mind.
IF this is all true I feel we are completely FOOKED with no hope of beathing this “evil”
IF this is all tru we have NO idea who to trust
RFK Jr . ?
This needs to be scrutinized.
I feel compelled to read the whole damn thing now.
Fuck this shit.
I am starting to think it is futile to even resist anymore as they have us in a stranglehold…If all this is true…we’re done . They have it ALL and we have NOTHING
If all this is true…I will just go back to living life to the fullest every day until they come for me …since anything else is useless expenditure of energy.
I will consider turning this site back to it’s original purpose. PM TA !
Will contact you within a week for discussion.
Fuck this shit !
I think the followon link where Martin is interviewed by Peters clears up his key point.
They manufactured all of it as a pretense to sell the vax via the media.
Martin is on board the view that the virus “does not exist” as a pathogen.
The open question is whether the motive is $$$ (for certain) or, $$$ and also culling.
So do you dismiss this LOOOOOONG article which claims Martin and Fuelmich and Kennedy Jr and Others are all Globalists and part of the plan…Planted controlled resistance ?
Dismiss? No.
But you know I seldom take anything instantly at face value.
Martin strikes me as having been a very sophisticated CORPORATE MAN.
Who may have seen the light and decided to come forward.
His tone seemed much more forthright with Peters, and open to speculation on the bigger picture.
The previous interview focused on older timelines and the patent records.
As the critic indicated, the patents document ideas not truth.
This newer interview gets into motives and hangs together pretty well I’d say.
I recall (as best I can about 6 months ago) having a raging argument with a long-time RVing friend. The argument was (my side) this is no damn virus. It is all made up. They have not been able to isolate the damn thing. That is why there is no vaccine, only an RNA/DNA modifying jab.
All planned, all calculated, top down and bottom up (bottom being the sheeple who bought into this crap.) I knew when our former doctor – who was a renegade from the system if there ever was one – bought into this whole thing hook, line and sinker. He would NOT prescribe ivermectin or hydroxichloriquine. I thought he had lost his mind. He was one of the first to get the jab, and sure enough, got sick. Recovered, but from what and what will happen to him in the future?
I believed it then, and I believe it now. All planned as part of the great reset, been in the works for decades, we are entering the end of freedom unless we turn to armed revolution, no other way.
Are people getting sick? Yup, people get sick every year. Year after year, decade after decade, century after century. It’s called life.
Twice in my life I’ve thought I was on my deathbed. Once in 1971, one in 2002. Both times I thought I was going to die. Both times, they could not determine what was wrong, my immune system ultimately saved me.
Life. My parents would have thought we were all nuts running around with masks, lockdowns, etc etc etc. And they would have been right, rest their souls.
The theory that the virus doesn’t exist is silly. I’ve known at least three people who got sick and recovered. Two have difficulty with their sense of smell a month later. It’s that smell thing associated with the virus you can’t get around by saying it doesn’t exist. Just anecdotal, but enough to convince me.
Something caught up with folks yes. Something contagious.
The folks making this point, argue that the ‘virus’ FRAGMENTS that are being detected are the EFFECTS or RESIDUES of the ailment on human tissue, not the cause.
No one making this argument says its all in their head. The ‘virus’ blamed for killing millions has yet to be isolated. Odd, huh?
I am afraid I think that people can be too sure of themselves. They can jump to conclusions awfully fast.
In our stock area, all too many people may put their life savings into a highly touted exploreco because some expert has great figures and slides and brings along A Geologist who nods with enthusiasm. In contrast, a boutique PM firm, specializing in explorecos, will pour over the financials. They may shell out large amounts of money not just for A Geologist, but a geologist specializing in the type of deposit at hand (porphyry, for example) as well as experts in law and cultural relations in the country in question.
Similarly in the matter at hand we can go with logic, emotion, or intuition (which I think is different from either), but we really don’t know very much. We have to realize that with a Martin or even a Füllmich we do not know with whom we are dealing. We have not looked up the patents, studied them, submitted them to experts for analysis, and so forth.
We have not submitted the attack-analysis for review either.
We really do not know very much.
I have to say that certain things with Martin’s interview did not sit right with me, but others fit in. I will leave it at that. I have commented previously that I thought that people are putting too much faith in the legal process. I will also comment that much as I find the Martin piece of interest, I find the critique of interest, but little more than that.
I have commented previously that I have suspicions that at least one far-far left website may be so to speak compromised. If the editorial board is not, certainly those who comment are. I believe the same can go for a couple of right-wing sites I use.
One hard-hard left site has one particularly useful commenter–often at odds with the others–who presents himself as having done a fair amount of time in federal prison ostensibly on a marijuana charge but in reality for political crimes, having been associated as he left adolescence with a far-left party that was largely infiltrated if not led by US federal agents. He asserts that a friendly parole officer let him see his dossier (pretend-accident). It was massive–allegedly just about everyone he knew, esp in the Party, was an agent or informant.
He suggested that he felt by analogy that at that particular website (which tolerates rightwing commentary–just nothing by “liberals”) — as much as 90% of those commenting, either right or left, are hired fakes, government agents to the extent they aren’t bots. I find his commentary more useful than most, but I am not sure I trust him 100% for that matter.
I don’t want to name names, but I find the official Covid narrative questionable, but I think many of the dissident figures–including people who argue against each other–to be even fishier. I am not saying you can’t learn things from questionable sources. You can. You just have to hold things in your mind tentatively as new facts and analyses emerge. Considering multiple hypotheses helps.
Now I will torture anyone who has followed me this far by repeating something I’ve written previously. Unlike many people who make pronouncements about virology, I actually had some formal professional training including the topic albeit for the most part way way way back. In 2020 I twice reviewed an online lecture (youtoob), probably graduate school level, at a fancy university, on viral genomics.
I have to say I really don’t know. I would not trust my opinions to tell you the truth. However I have the strong impression that this insistence you get on isolating viruses in 2020 or 2021 is at best silly. I have the strong impression that virologists identify their prey indirectly now for the most part. It’s the way surgeons commonly localize a bullet by medical images, not by surgical exploration, or mining companies and explorecos localize targets and stake claims not necessarily by sending out prospectors with rock hammers and sign posts but instead with planes and geophysical instrumentation + satellite mapping imagery. Much one reads about viruses in political-ish commentary I don’t think would come from a reasonably sensible person who had been through professional training who wasn’t under some kind of pressure (positive or negative) to mislead, or else just plain nuts. But maybe I’m just plain nuts.
Also, there’s something in what Martin said that didn’t sit right with me after I’d reviewed the lecture on viral genomics. Maybe the lecturer is on the take. Maybe I misunderstood it (quite possible). My suspicion at the time however was that in an ideal world a truly independent virologist would have been with Füllmich. There might have been questions or eye-rolling but I could EASILY be wrong having to do with corona viruses vs influenza viruses (different genomic reproduction strategies by my weak understanding). But I am often wrong.
I think I am not too comfortable at all with Martin’s critic, but as usual I need to let things settle.
These are all highly tentative comments, by a total amateur, so don’t take seriously.
OK Guys …I read it….Very tricky business here now
The Author is very thurough …thats an understatement !
To the point of ridiculous. However
Very Convincing that David Martin is a Globalist…a BIG Globalist ! and as Chuck is saying a Mason !
Now if we believe this annonymous author who has just surfaced out of the blue with his first “hit” piece
We also must believe that Fuelmich is a fraud as well
OK…maybe
But we also must believe Dolores Cahill is a fraud…less believable for me…..but perhaps
AND a very cursory derogatory comment regarding RFK Jr. …Nope ..not for me
AND finally he calls Del Bigtree a Pro Vaxx Conspirator…No Fucking Way !
So in my view….This whole 48 page monstrosity is an enigma
Who is this Author ? Why is he anon ?
Why has he just surface NOW ?
Why is this piece so long and with so many references it would take a lifetime to watch them all ?
Why would he not just do a normal sized article with a few references to Martin’s links to Globalists .
Color me skeptical ….but not unconvinced about Martin .
But this guy roping all this into Del Bigtree and RFK Jr and Dolores Cahill and Judy Mikovits by association as well ( Plandemic) is very suspicious IMO .
OTOH…Dr Martin looks very suspicious here too.
Perhaps Martin IS a red herring and our Mystery Author after exposing him will now take down many of those who we trust by associating him with them.
To me that’s the most likely for now
Fully
From Brian A
I read the post from Pedro and I think it’s a hit piece. If you Google Dr. Martin you get all kinds of the usual fact checker sites telling you it’s fake news. If you use DuckDuckGo and search you don’t find the fact checker hit pieces but lots of links to his various interviews and bios. So I think the article is just to throw us off. We’ll have to wait and see.
Could well be, Brian. Solid approach you took in your assessment.
I also posted Martin’s newer interview with Stew Peters, and that resonated with me better than his first vid with Fuellmich. He outlined his motives in this newer one, and those rang sincerely.
I don’t have ANY problem accepting his core thesis that this was a setup to usher in the vaccine, whether for profit, or genocide, or both.
I also think its now down to “We The People”. But How? is still the question.
For the time being, I’m on board with fighting the battles locally and securing all the red counties on the map.