Herd Immunity ? Maybe Not
I’m keeping an open mind. We cannot just assume we’re going to see the virus fade away in coming months due to herd immunity.
I’m keeping an open mind. We cannot just assume we’re going to see the virus fade away in coming months due to herd immunity.
I guess the main question is how severe would the re-infection year after year. Will it be the same as the common cold or much worse. No one know yet.
Here’s an article I read, but don’t really know enough about that stuff to know if it is accurate or not. It talks about “memory B- and T-cells” that would (could?) jump into action to reduce the severity for a re-infection. Or at least we can hope.
https://www.cnn.com/2020/07/07/opinions/covid-19-coronavirus-vaccine-immunity-inoculation-bromage/index.html
I am calling BS on this one
First of all Kings College has been biased and wrong from the beginning.( My mitsake that was Imperial College and Nial Ferguson)
Secondly…I have actually never heard of one confirmed case of a person getting this a second time
From anywhere .
nd there have been 13 million cases !!
Thirdly IF the antibody levels drop it doesn’t mean you are not immune as there are memory cells that will recognize the virus as an enemy and summon t cells
Fourth ..if there academics really want to be useful they will spend their time trying to find the damn virus.
NO ONE has ever Seen it yet !
So far there is NO proof it exists nor that the test results co relate with infections.
They certainly do not co relate with the disease…If they did there wouldn’t be 80% with NO symptoms
Do you really have a disease if you have NO symptoms ?
OH and fifth…If this is actually a correct assumption then forget the vaccine…if the antibodies disappear after a couple of months…what will you do…vaccinate every two months i guess….ha
Cleveland Clinic does not sound very positive…learning curve very steep…
https://consultqd.clevelandclinic.org/antibodies-and-covid-19-reinfection-some-context-for-fielding-patient-questions/
I need to see an article where at least 100,000 people who were sick with covid recovered and then got infected again
There have been 13 million cases…if there is no immunity then at least 100,000 less than 1% would have gotten it again
More like 1 million would have gotten it again
Show me that article please
Actually until someone actually finds “THE” Virus in all its Glory…I am a sceptic to all of this research !
They have had 7 months to find the virus.
Isn’t that THE most important thing on earth right now ?
Wouldn’t you want to “see” the virus with one of these incredibly accurate electron microscopes before you can then see if it actually is present in “positive” cases .
He died from the new SARS COV2 Virus
How do you know ?
Because he was sick and his lungs filled with fluid and a swab stuck up his nose was tested and showed a small piece of RNA from a corona virus.
Thats all you got ?
It has to be the most inexplicable thing in the history of inexplicable things that No ONE is even LOOKING for “THE” virus
WTF ?
It is good to keep an open mind — while being at least a little skeptical about just about everything.
At some point you are allowed to make a decision when presented with sound reasoned arguments.
If everybody just walked around saying well maybe this but maybe that too…where the hell would we all be ?
One thing I keep thinking about — and I believe I have commented about a couple of times — is the alleged or hypothesized phenomenon of ADE (antibody dependent enhancement).
It is thought to occur in dengue fever. I believe it is at least postulated if not proven as a reason why dengue fever is often much severe the 2nd or 3d time one contracts it. The first time around the patient acquires the ability to create antibodies. With subsequent infections (possibly with other strains) the infection is worse than the 1st time. It is postulated that the antibodies actually help the virus infect (enter) cells. It has been thought that at times ADE can occur with HIV. I am no virologist and don’t know more about it than I read in Wikipedia so don’t ask me for more.
I do know it was mentioned a fair amount early on when COVID-19 was running amok in Wuhan — then largely dropped from discussion.
I would have to wonder whether ADE might potentially occur with the COVID-19 bug on re-exposures, esp if to a rather different strain. Or to a vaccine for that matter. If the phenomenon were to be relevant, as with many phenomena in life in general and in medicine in particular it might affect only a small minority of cases, as curious quirks.
Concern about ADE is one reason why I (previously a gung-ho vaccine fan, always trying to encourage others to get vaccinated) might hold off on any COVID vaccine until you guinea pigs try it first for a couple of years.
(The other reason is that I had not known how much Bill Gates was involved in vaccines. While I have my doubts that he is the evil person he is alleged to be, and I am aghast and disgusted at calls for violent retribution against him for his alleged misdeeds, I have not been altogether favorably impressed with his software and the way he has handled it and must take as cautious stance about protecting my body from new vaccines as I might about protecting my computers from poorly developed soft/malware, highly touted but not glitch-free and ready for safe public use.)
“NO ONE has ever Seen it yet !
So far there is NO proof it exists nor that the test results co relate with infections.”
You are joking, right? They have the complete genome sequence for sars-covid-2. What have you been reading???????????
https://www.niaid.nih.gov/news-events/novel-coronavirus-sarscov2-images
I have been reading this
https://goldtadise.com/?p=468879
if you don’t want to read it all here is the point
“Dave Rasnick has had exchanges with David Crowe about this, and concurs, “To my knowledge, they have not yet purified this virus.”
I have posted another article which shows this in great detail
I will look for it ..stand by
Here it is…you will have to read it ALL .
https://off-guardian.org/2020/06/27/covid19-pcr-tests-are-scientifically-meaningless/
“Thus, the authors of four of the principal, early 2020 papers claiming discovery of a new coronavirus concede they had no proof that the origin of the virus genome was viral-like particles or cellular debris, pure or impure, or particles of any kind. In other words, the existence of SARS-CoV-2 RNA is based on faith, not fact.
We have also contacted Dr Charles Calisher, who is a seasoned virologist. In 2001, Science published an “impassioned plea…to the younger generation” from several veteran virologists, among them Calisher, saying that:
[modern virus detection methods like] sleek polymerase chain reaction […] tell little or nothing about how a virus multiplies, which animals carry it, [or] how it makes people sick. [It is] like trying to say whether somebody has bad breath by looking at his fingerprint.”[3]
And that’s why we asked Dr Calisher whether he knows one single paper in which SARS-CoV-2 has been isolated and finally really purified. His answer:
I know of no such a publication. I have kept an eye out for one.”[4]
Going out for a bit
if more clarification needed….LATER
“This actually means that one cannot conclude that the RNA gene sequences, which the scientists took from the tissue samples prepared in the mentioned in vitro trials and for which the PCR tests are finally being “calibrated,” belong to a specific virus — in this case SARS-CoV-2.
In addition, there is no scientific proof that those RNA sequences are the causative agent of what is called COVID-19.”
I would bet there is a strong correlation between the climate crazies and the covid clowns, and not just the alliterative value of having them around.
Selective Denialism…A complicated syndrome…
It’s found throughout science and history…
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Denialism
You’re not trying to say the earth isn’t flat! 🙁
This works both ways.
The group of lefties here is in denial that there could even be good news about the virus.
Absolute denial of all the science presented Much of it from respected world class doctors and scientists and Nobel Prizers .
No matter how convincing this is there is complete and utter allegiance to the WHO / Fauci / CDC Axis.
They say lock down you say how deep
They say 6 feet apart ..you say how bout 12
They say masks are not for the public you say OK
They say Masks On Now…You say OK
They say vaccine you say yes please.
You all deny that anything “they” say could be absolutely Wrong and absolutely NOT in your best interest.
It is so easy to just believe the status quo…requires no critical thinking.
You are just another Brick in the Wall.
Poor Galileo…at least the Pope saved his life and he was only sent to confinement and retraining…not so for many others unfortunately…
Yeah, but he thought Jupiter had four moons? Just crazy thinking!
Retraining ?
Now its the whites that are being sent for retraining !
THE MSM of the day called it all a HOAX…
And they were just as wrong then as they are today
It’s truly sad that the followers who don’t protect themselves, often foolishly give up their lives and endanger the lives of their family and friends…why???
Nonsense !
Locking yourself down and not going to work is endangering your life and the lives of your family for certain !
Getting on with life in the midst of covid and west nile virus and lyme disease and denuge fever and malaria and flu and drunk drivers and bacterial meningitis and flesh eating disease and skin cancer and second hand smoke and Allergic reactions to drugs and food and and and….is called Living
Most People tiptoe their way through life hoping to make it safely to death
Earl Nightingale
Exactly, Fully! There is a culture of life and a culture of death. Choose your side, because the battle is afoot!
The President wants to get his “followers” go with him over the cliff…but potentially dragging school children along for the “cause” is the beyond any measure of selfishness…
Atomic, your name suggests a power that you don’t possess.
School children dont get sick and dont transmit
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