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“We’re ahead of schedule with Iran. We’re weeks ahead of schedule… and we have a group, it’s really a new regime. It’s a new group of people — people that we’ve never dealt with before, that are acting very reasonable.”
https://x.com/RapidResponse47/status/2038430439937900767
MOST DON’T BELIEVE TRUMP IS NEGOTIATING WITH IRANIANS ( EVEN I AM SKEPTICAL AT TIMES )
ALL THE REMAINING IRANIANS KNOWN TO BE “IN CHARGE” ARE COMING OUT AND SAYING HE IS FULL OF SHIT
BUT HE KEEPS SAYING CONFIDENTLY TALKS ARE GOING VERY WELL AND THERE WILL BE REGIME CHANGE
AND NOW THIS :
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REPORTER: You had offered a 15-point plan to Iran. Did they ever come back and give a response?
@POTUS
: “Yeah… They gave us most of the points — why wouldn’t they?… and just to prove that they’re serious, they gave us all of these [oil] boats.”
https://x.com/RapidResponse47/status/2038431619325816985
BUT NO ONE HAS SEEN “THESE BOATS”
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MORE FROM TRUMP
Listen to the beginning of this.
“We are negotiating directly and indirectly.”
“Yes, with emissaries but also directly.”
“We had (past tense) regime change.”
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@POTUS
on Iran: We destroyed many targets today, and we’re negotiating with them directly and indirectly. They gave us 20 big boats of oil going through the Hormuz Strait, and that‘s taking place starting tomorrow morning, over the next couple of days.
President Trump just revealed Iran is sending 20 MORE oil boats through the Strait of Hormuz “as a tribute”
“As a sign of respect, 20 boats of oil. Big, BIG boats of oil, going through the Hormuz Strait. Starting TOMORROW MORNING, over the next couple days. A LOT of boats.”
WOW!
This is on TOP of the previous 10 boats
https://x.com/RapidResponse47/status/2038429374697951562
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SO TRUMP SOUNDS DELUSIONAL ….BUT LETS BE HONEST…HE NEVER DOES NOT PRODUCE WHEN HE IS THIS CALM AND CONFIDENT
SOMETHING WEIRD IS HAPPENING HERE….WHO IS HE DEALING WITH ?? IS HE JUST GASSING ?
MY GUESS IS IT IS THE REGULAR IRANIAN ARMY ( KNOWN AS THE ARTESH ) IS SOME WAY SHAPE OR FORM.
NO ONE EVER SEEMS TO CONSIDER THEM BUT THEY ARE DIFFERENT FROM THE IRGC…WHO WILL NEVER CUT A DEAL
SOMETHING IS BREWING WITH SOMEONE WHO TRUMP AND COMP SEEM TO THINK HAS THE ABILITY TO PRODUCE FAVORABLE RESULTS …TRUMP IS PLAYING COY HERE REGARDING “NEGOTIATIONS” WHILE HE CONTINUES TO BOMB THE SHIT OUT OF THE IRGC
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HEY CO-PILOT WHAT IS THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE REGULAR IRANIAN ARMY AND THE IRGC ?
SEE THE ANSWER IN THE FIRST COMMENT AND FOLLOW MORE OF MY RESEARCH THERE
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ALAS…TRUMP THE PRAGMATIST
Trump: U.S. negotiation with Iran is doing “extremely well, but you never know with Iran, because we negotiate with them, and then we always have to blow them up.
Copilot
Here’s a clear, side?by?side explanation of the difference between Iran’s regular military (the Artesh) and the Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps (IRGC), based on current reporting and military analyses.
Big Picture
Iran is unusual because it has two parallel armed forces, created deliberately after the 1979 Islamic Revolution to serve different purposes. One protects the state, the other protects the revolution and regime. [timesnownews.com], [indiatoday.in]
1. Iranian Regular Military (Artesh)
What it is
Iran’s traditional, professional armed forces
Existed before the 1979 revolution
Often compared to a “normal” national army in other countries [sahiwalnews.com]
Main mission
Defend Iran’s territory and borders
Prepare for and fight conventional wars against other states [timesnownews.com]
Structure
Four main branches:
Ground Forces
Air Force
Navy
Air Defense Force [sahiwalnews.com]
Politics & ideology
Largely apolitical
Stays out of domestic politics
Less influence over government decision?making [sahiwalnews.com]
Who it answers to
Formally part of the state military structure
Subordinate to Iran’s overall armed forces command, ultimately under the Supreme Leader, but without the special autonomy or political role of the IRGC [understandingwar.org]
2. Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps (IRGC)
What it is
A separate military force created in 1979 after the Islamic Revolution
Designed specifically to protect the Islamic system and revolutionary ideology [indiatoday.in]
Main mission
Defend the regime, not just the country
Prevent internal threats (uprisings, coups)
Project Iranian influence abroad using asymmetric and unconventional methods [blog.roninsgrips.com]
Structure
Has its own:
Ground forces
Navy (especially active in the Persian Gulf)
Aerospace force (missiles and drones)
Intelligence and cyber units
Includes:
Quds Force (foreign and regional operations)
Basij militia (domestic mobilization and internal security) [sahiwalnews.com], [wionews.com]
Politics & economy
Deeply involved in:
Politics (many officials are former IRGC members)
Major economic sectors like construction and energy
Acts as a powerful political?economic network, not just a military force [timesnownews.com], [wionews.com]
Who it answers to
Reports directly to the Supreme Leader, not the elected government
Has greater independence, funding, and influence than the regular army [timesnownews.com], [understandingwar.org]
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WHAT I FIND SHOCKING IS THAT NO ANALYSIS WE HAVE SEEN YET HAS EVEN CONSIDERED THIS IRANIAN REGULAR ARMY
NO ONE TALKS ABOUT IT…IT’S AS IF IT DOESNT EVEN EXIST…WTF ???
WHAT IF TRUMP AND COMP ( CIA / MOSSAD ) HAVE INFILTRATED THE ARTESH AND ARE BREWING UP A CIVIL WAR AGAINST THE IRGC ?
WHAT IF THEY ARE BEING PAID IN DOLLARS WHILE THE IRGC ARE BEING PAID IN WORTHLESS UN(RIALS)
WHAT IF THIS REGULAR ARMY HAS THE MEANS INFRASTRUCTURE AND WHEREWITHALL TO ARM LARGE SECTOR OF THE IRANIAN PEOPLE ( THE ONES WHO DEMONSTRATED EN MASS BEFORE 40,000 OF THEM WERE MOWED DOWN BY THE IRGC AND IT’S MILITIA CALLED THE BASIJS ) ?
WHAT IF THE GULF STATES HAVE BEEN BIDING TIME BEFORE GETTING INVOLVED JUST AT THE RIGHT TIME WHEN THE ARTESH WILL BE UNLEASHED ???
WHAT IF SOME OF THE IRGC ARE ABOUT TO MUTINY AND SWITCH SIDES …FOR DOLLARS
WHAT…..IF ?
WOAH…I GOOGLED THE ARTESH AND THERE IS A VERY DETAILED REPORT ON THE ARTESH IN PDF FORMAT
THE MEAT STARTS ON PAGE 9 AND THIS IS HOW IT BEGINS
As the US-Iran showdown continues, among Western analysts there is an infinite desire for more data and
analysis relating to the workings of the Islamic Republic. From a US standpoint, a better understanding of the
various organs and players in the Iranian regime setup is imperative as Washington weighs its options and sets
out to formulate its policies.
The fact is that, while much of the Iranian internal policy-making deliberations are still somewhat of an enigma
to US policy analysts, certain aspects of the regime are better understood than others. One key stakeholder in
Iran that deserves far more scrutiny in the West is the Artesh, the 350,000-strong regular armed forces.
The Artesh has been largely ignored for two reasons. First, the regime in Tehran has tied its political future to
the ability of the Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps (IRGC) to safeguard it against both internal and external
adversaries. Accordingly, it is the IRGC that has become the chief military face of Iran, even though it remains
a smaller force than the Artesh. Second, the Artesh has avoided the limelight and UN sanctions because it is —
unlike the IRGC — an entity that is designed and operates as a national defensive force.
In the following Viewpoints articles in this Middle East Institute series, the key historical, political, and military
aspects of the Artesh are discussed. Each article focuses on particular features of the Artesh, and combined they
tell the story of a force that is still distrusted by the regime due to its past American patronage. But there are also
signs that the regime appreciates the harmful impact of continuing a long-held policy of sideling the Artesh.
HERE IS THE PDF…VERY LONG AND DETAILED ….I AM STILL SHOCKED THAT NO ONE IS TALKING ABOUT THIS …WTF >??
https://aei.org/wp-content/uploads/2011/11/-the-artesh-irans-marginalized-regular-military_171758621702.pdf?x91208
WOW…THE DEEPER ONE DIVES INTO THIS ARTESH THING THE MORE THE HAIR ON THE BACK OF ONES NECK STANDS UP
Iran’s regular military, the Artesh, receives virtually no attention from international media or scholars on Iran. By
contrast, its political rival, the Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps (IRGC, also known in Persian as the Pasdaran), is
scrutinized constantly by analysts for its visible, high-profile role in Iran’s political system, its economic resources and
corporate activities, and its role as a spearhead of Iran’s regional policies.
This imbalance in relative importance persists even though the Artesh fields more men under arms than does the IRGC
(350,000 Artesh soldiers versus about 125,000 IRGC), and even though the Artesh still controls the preponderance of
heavy ground armor (tanks, etc.) that Iran possesses. The dichotomy in press and analytic attention has reached the
point where the casual scholar of Iranian affairs might not realize that the Artesh still exists at all.
This contradiction is, to some extent, justified. The Artesh is avowedly apolitical. It is a national institution, created and
maintained to defend the nation against external threats. Unlike the IRGC, it is not a revolutionary institution and does
not interpret its mission as defending the Islamic regime that came to power in 1979. Artesh leaders repeatedly assert
that they are loyal to whatever regime is in power at the time.
MORE
The political strength within the regime, or lack thereof, was a decidedly minor issue until 2009, when it became clear
that a significant proportion of the population was willing to demonstrate its opposition to the regime. At that point —
the point at which major street demonstrations over the June 2009 election galvanized into the “Green Movement” — an
analysis of the array of security forces willing and able to defend the regime moved front and center.
The Green Movement challenge in 2009, and attempted revivals in 2011, raised questions as to which security forces
the regime would turn to in order to suppress the challenges. As the force most loyal to the Islamic regime, the IRGC,
particularly its popular militia, the Basij, were expected to aggressively suppress demonstrations and riots and ensure
that demonstrators could not seize government buildings or entire cities. Their intervention was required to suppress
some of the larger demonstrations in 2009; smaller ones were handled by the Law Enforcement Forces (LEF), Iran’s
regular police.
However, uncertain of the ultimate scope of the popular unrest, in 2009 and 2010 there were indications in press sources
that the regime might also ask the Artesh to intervene against demonstrators. That notion was disabused on December
10, 2009, the height of the Green Movement challenge. Commanders of several units of the regular military, including
army aviation, the regular Air Force, and various training colleges of the Artesh, reportedly released a letter criticizing
the IRGC and the Basij for using force to suppress demonstrations and threatening to intervene against those forces if
their abuses continued.
MORE
Green Movement demonstrations continued subsequent to this letter,
including the December 27, 2009 “Ashura uprising,” in which demonstrators captured numerous LEF personnel and vehicles, and in which
LEF and Basij elements withdrew from certain locations. However,
neither in this or in subsequent events did the Artesh carry out its
purported threat to intervene to protect demonstrators. That observation could suggest that the Artesh letter was less an actual threat than a clear statement that it would not, if called on,
help the IRGC, Basij, and LEF suppress demonstrations. Others might argue that the Artesh threat was never realistic,
in large part because the Artesh are located in garrisons outside major cities, and its ability to partake in urban political events is limited.
The implications of the Artesh’s political role are clear. Should the Green Movement revive its demonstrations, and
should such demonstrations ever seize control of entire cities or neighborhoods, the regime’s ability to rally suppressive
armed force will be uncertain and potentially counterproductive.
The Artesh will not, under any conceivable circumstance, deploy its ground armor to wrest back control of territory for
the regime. The LEF, Basij, and IRGC have proved sufficiently strong, to date, to suppress the Green challenge. However,
that capacity has not been tested in Iran to the extent it has in, for example, Libya and Syria, where demonstrators and
armed rebels have taken control of entire territories (and in the Libyan case, prosecuted a successful rebellion). The
Islamic regime in Iran’s ability to defend itself against a massive, sustained popular challenge remains unproved.
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As the United States and its allies have tightened sanctions on Iran, they have sought in particular to isolate the Islamic
Revolutionary Guard Corps, the regime’s most aggressive institution. The IRGC, known in Persian as the Pasdaran,
fields its own army, navy, and air force, and dominate a large and increasing share of Iran’s national economy.
The IRGC first rose to prominence thanks in large part to the Islamic revolutionary government’s suspicions of the
Artesh, Iran’s conventional military forces that had been closely associated with the United States and served as a key
pillar of the Shah’s regime. Although it has fallen out of favor, the Artesh has not gone away.
MORE !
The IRGC and the regime still view the Artesh as an institution loyal to the Shah, which they must therefore hold
in check.3
Additionally, the United States used to provide training and equipment to the Artesh, compounding the
IRGC’s suspicions of the regular army.4
The Iranian Constitution underlines the division between the two forces,
stating that the Artesh is responsible for defending Iran’s borders and maintaining internal order, while the IRGC
is responsible for protecting the regime.5
This is crazy. It’s the answer to the problem. Gain trust with the Artesh by promising a new government elected by the people, and the IRGC goes down easily. Have them arrest/kill/detain the top layer that is left (cut off the head), and it’s over.